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POLL: Did you know cold sores (with and without an active blister) can cause genital herpes before you first came to HHP?
Posted by muffin on Apr-20-09, 04:59 PM CST
Result after a total of 32 votes

No, I had no clue about any connection between cold sores and ghsv. 14 votes, 43% Vote for this choice
I had an idea that cold sores and oral didn't mix but asymptomatic transmission was new to me. 16 votes, 50% Vote for this choice
Yes, I knew it could happen with or without an active sore. 2 votes, 6% Vote for this choice
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up Angelika Apr-20-09 1
     RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up C16679admin Apr-20-09 2
         RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up mj1 Apr-20-09 3
             RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up Angelika Apr-21-09 4
             RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up muffinadmin Apr-21-09 6
  I knew kindof... joy1979 Apr-21-09 5
     RE: I knew kindof... silver lining Apr-21-09 7
  I voted red... Rajahadmin Apr-21-09 8
     RE: I voted red... lilybrooke Apr-21-09 9
         RE: I voted red... prayforhope Apr-21-09 10
             RE: I voted red... silver lining Apr-22-09 11
                 RE: I voted red... Angelika Apr-22-09 12
                     RE: I voted red... joy1979 Apr-22-09 13
                         RE: I voted red... prayforhope Apr-22-09 14
                             RE: I voted red... joy1979 Apr-23-09 15
  Cold sores causing GHSV1 pinky1010 Jan-16-11 16
  I'm not sure wema Jan-20-11 17

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Angelika
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Apr-20-09, 05:42 PM (CST)
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1. "Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up"
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   I knew cold sores were herpes b/c in my country we call cold sores herpes so when I began having sex with guys I came online to research whether or not they could be transmitted to people's genitals. I found out they could but I didn't find anything about asymptomatic shedding or even shedding from areas other than the actual sore. I believe this info wasn't out there yet at the time (this was maybe 10/11 years ago) b/c I thought I did a pretty extensive search.

I was also worried that if I transmitted it to someone's genitals during oral sex they could then transmit it to my genitals through intercourse and nothing I found really contradicted that (actually websites did mention autoinoculation as a pretty realistic possibility and they warned against masturbation with spit when you have an active cold sore).

I haven't found anything about people who don't get cold sores (or genital outbreaks) still possibly having the virus and still possibly being contagious. I had no clue I could have genital herpes w/out clear symptoms that in my mind looked like the cold sores I have had.

Who among mortals may boast himself born with a fortune beyond reach of harm? - Aeschylus


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C16679admin
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2. "RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up"
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   Hmmm, I don't know how to vote. I know at some point I did realize that cold sores were a form of HSV (don't think I knew about the types specifically).

Because I didn't ever get cold sores, nor did I ever date anyone who had them (and I mean, obviously have them; it never occurred to me to ask about history of cold sores) I don't think it ever even dawned on me to consider what that would mean with regard to oral sex. I did know cold sores were contagious when present, so I'd probably have connected the dots if that situation had come up. I definitely had no clue about asymptomatic shedding and the possibility of transmitting in the absence of symptoms.

C.


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mj1
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3. "RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up"
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Completely clueless about all of it!

In fact, I used my HHP knowledge today. A friend has the beginning of a cold sore (had them since she was a kid) and I told her she could ask her doc for Acyclovir or Valtrex if it's really bothering her. She had no idea that the meds would help her oral sore (thought they would only help GHSV).

Can you use Tea Tree Oil on a cold sore? I haven't paid enough attention to OHSV discussions here since I don't have it. Dumb.

mj

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Angelika
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4. "RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up"
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   Yes you can use a tee tree oil on a cold sore. It works ok, dries it up a bit. What I really loved using on my cold sores when I used to get them was hydrogen peroxide though. I know it's supposed to be bad for you but it really dried my cold sores up and cut their healing time in half.

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muffinadmin
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6. "RE: Knew the info that was available at the time I looked it up"
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Hi mj!

I've had good results using Listerine on a qtip when I start to get a cold sore.

muffin ~ GHSV1 since 1986

Anyone who has sex is at risk for herpes.

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joy1979
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5. "I knew kindof..."
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   Before I contracted GHSV1 and came to this site, I did know that if one had an active cold sore (meaning visible) one could transmit HSV genitally. What I didn't know until I found this site was that one could transmit while not even knowing they had HSV. That's what happened to me!! I've known the guy who gave this to me almost 18 years now, and I've never seen a cold sore on him yet. And I see him almost daily.


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silver lining
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7. "RE: I knew kindof..."
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   I voted red.

It's like, in the back of my mind I knew that maybe receiving oral sex was somehow an STD risk...i wasn't sure exactly what STD. i don't think i ever equated it with herpes. i thought that me giving someone oral sex, and of course, having sex without a condom, was the real risk of getting an STD. i guess like everyone else, i chose not to find out more or think about it.

i certainly didn't know that one can get an STD from not having intercourse with someone who doesn't have an STD. ha! that's GHSV1.

i blame society and the medical community for allowing people to be left completely in the dark when it comes to the HSV viruses, and for the lack of testing for herpes of either type. doctors are complete hypocrites for telling people who happen to know that have genital herpes that they MUST inform partners - but they don't tell that to people who get cold sores. and the doctors themselves are not even willing to include HSV in STD testing, to inform people who HAVE herpes of either type that they have it, so they can then inform people. and they don't even mention that it is excluded from testing, so everyone can go around saying they have been tested for "everything" and they KNOW they don't have ANYTHING. it is total BS.

anyone who is negative for HSV1 and 2 and has sex or receives oral sex is at risk for getting genital herpes from the majority of all people!!

http://loveinthetimeofherpes.blogspot.com/


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Rajahadmin
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8. "I voted red..."
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Before I came here, that question just wasn't on the radar. I think I knew that cold sores were a herpes virus, but never gave oral sex transmission of HSV1 a thought.

Honestly, I've been here so long that I'm not sure what I knew pre-HHP.

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lilybrooke
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9. "RE: I voted red..."
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   >Honestly, I've been here so long that I'm not sure what I
>knew pre-HHP.

I knew cold sores = herpes 1 because I used to suffer terrible (intra) oral sores and I learned those were probably canker sores, to be differentiated from cold sores, and I knew they could be transmitted genitally, but since I was never much on the receiving end, I never gave it any thought. Since acquiring ghsv2, or rather since developing symptoms from ghsv2, I am much more concerned about (one day) the possibility of acquiring ghsv1.


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prayforhope
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10. "RE: I voted red..."
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   i voted red also... i had noooo idea that coldsores could be genital herpes, maybe that was a little ignorant of me to not know that, i should have learned more about sex/oral sex. before engaging in it, but whatever thats the past and im moving on.

i always thought coldsores were coldsores, and genital herpes was genital herpes, i never thought they had any correlation to one another. i also had no idea about asymptomatic shedding, that was news to me. And i find it interesting when i talk to my friends about it, because they don't believe me when i give them this information, and ironically i was in the same boat they're in with being un educated on the matter.


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silver lining
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11. "RE: I voted red..."
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   That's the thing about GHSV1, it's like it's too weird and unbelievable for people to believe how it happens - that you can get it from merely receiving oral sex, not even having sex, with someone who is not currently having or has never even had a cold sore in their life. which could be absolutely anyone, and how would you know? it's like, well if this is the case, then why has everyone not been notified of this at all? good frickin' question. a lot of my close friends and family still don't seem to get it. that's why the idea of a social/moral obligation to explain this to every potential lover for the rest of my life is incredibly frustrating. GHSV1 is so much more complicated and convoluted to explain than GHSV2. sure, it's herpes, and sure, it's genital, but it's not type 2 genital herpes, it's not going to turn into type 2, it's the same common cold sore virus that more people have than don't, but in a place less likely to be recurrent and highly unlikely to ever be transmitted. having sex with me is much lower risk than receiving oral sex from the majority of the population. but that just seems to weird to be true - that it's much safer to have sex with someone who has type 1 genital herpes than it is to receive oral sex from someone who had a cold sore once when they were 6. i think no matter how well you explain it to some people, they are not going to be able to truly register that, and really believe it. the genital stigma is just too deeply ingrained.

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Angelika
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12. "RE: I voted red..."
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-22-09 AT 01:51 AM (CST)
 
I agree. I don't think there is good virus/bad virus distinction as much as there is good location/bad location distinction with herpes.

Some people take suppressive antivirals for ghsv1 just to prevent transmission and they feel like it makes sense, yet I am not sure if anyone would ask about suppressive antivirals for their child when he/she gets their first cold sore. Or at least around the time they are becoming sexually active.

It makes zero sense. It's like even people who have genital herpes feel like they need to protect others and they fear that they might transmit herpes b/c if they did, it somehow would have worse repercussions if we transmitted it from our genitals as opposed to our mouths.

It's almost like we would be more embarrassed to transmit something from our genitals or maybe others would just freak out more if they got something from our genitals than our mouths even if it's exactly the same thing.

Somehow giving someone genital herpes when you yourself don't have it seems to be more acceptable than giving someone genital herpes when you have genital herpes. That's the only reason I can muster for people who have ghsv1 taking suppressive antivirals to protect against transmission especially when they are doing so w/out even knowing their partners hsv1 status (which is more likely to be positive than negative).

So I am envisioning these couples one of whom has ghsv1 and the other who has ohsv1 and the one with ghsv1 is taking antivirals to protect the other one and is talking about how he/she has genital herpes before sex and the one who has ohsv1 is all freaked out and confused and has to think about whether or not to go through with the relationship, and then if the one with the ohsv1 decides to accept the one with ghsv1, the one with ghsv1 is all happy and relieved and writing a success story post when the whole time it's the person who has ohsv1 who is much more at risk for passing it on and for giving someone else genital herpes.

I mean it would be comical if it wasn't so frustrating.

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13. "RE: I voted red..."
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   Oh, my gosh, Angelika, that last paragraph of yours i.e. "So I am envisioning..."...like you said, it would be comical if it wasn't so frustrating. That post was almost hilarious...one of the best I've read on this site. So true!!!

I'd bet a paycheck that if I'd try to resume my intimate relationship with the guy who gave me GHSV1 orally, he'd run away from me so fast it wouldn't be funny - after all, I'm the one with genital herpes and he "doesn't". HA!!


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prayforhope
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14. "RE: I voted red..."
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   you know what i find most ignorant about people with ohsv-1, is the fact that they dont even know what they have! what i mean by that is they will try denying the fact they have herpes and that it can be sexually transmitted, and they don't even know the type... i find this the case alot of times on yahoo answers, its flabergasting how many people will ask "i have a coldsore is this herpes" and so many people will respond denying that it is herpes. its very frustrating.

one of my guy friend was telling me how he got coldsores and how theres a difference between herpes a and herpes b. i almost found this disturbing, but its just quite ignorant to the fact that by not knowing types and differences these people with ohsv-1 are jeopradizing peoples sexual lives (im not going to say health, because theirs nothing unhealthy about having herpes).

alot of times if i know someone has oral hsv-1, i'll tell them, "hey look you have herpes type 1, that can be transmitted via oral sex, you should tell your partners about that before engaging in oral sex"... sure it may be rude of me to say, but hell if i gotta disclose it (which i will when the time comes) then they gotta tell too.

i don't care if i introduce some fear or shame into these people, because sure they might have got coldsores when they were 10 sharing toys with their friends and yeah they were innocent, but i was innocent too, yeah i wasnt celibit and saving myself for marriage, but jeez i was 21 and don't shun on me if im gunna be sexual its normal. just as normal as those kids playing and sharing toys with their friends.

What i really want to see in the future, is more people being okay with herpes and KNOWING in asymptomatic shedding, coldsores, hsv-1 and hsv-2, and accepting the fact that it is normal! These talk shows will always have a show about "STDs and your teenagers"... i just think they need to invest more time and more segments in getting facts out because these are the people that alot of society looks up to, and if chelsea lately can stop poking fun at herpes too that would be fantastic, i love her show for sure, but when she starts ranting about herpes i want to fly to LA and be like listen b*tch and punch her in the face.


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joy1979
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15. "RE: I voted red..."
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   It still boggles my mind that in this day and time with information flying all over the place i.e. media, Internet, talk shows, etc. etc.....the subject of OHSV1 being a way to contract genital herpes is a well-guarded secret, it seems.

Over the years, there has been plenty of info out there about many sexual issues - contraception, HIV, HPV - but I had never heard anything about asymptomatic OHSV1. With all that other information out there, why is this subject so taboo?

I'm grateful that in the grand scheme of things, herpes is not in the same category as cancer or other life-threatening conditions. But it can sure wreak havoc on unsuspecting people who are uninformed - and it seems like this society is woefully uninformed about genital herpes and how it can be contracted. I know I was until I contracted herpes and then later on thankfully found this site.

Even my doctor's office, when I was first diagnosed, and I asked about what type did I have - the receptionist told me that it didn't matter ????? And that was a doctor's office!


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pinky1010
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16. "Cold sores causing GHSV1"
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   I had no idea that type 1 could be genital. I didn't even know until the last couple of years that a cold sore was herpes! Anyway, my boyfriend has never that he can remember had a cold sore, and I got herpes type 1 "downstairs".... You learn something new everyday...


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wema
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17. "I'm not sure"
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   I'm not sure if I learned that GHSV could be caused from HSV1 from this actual site, but I did learn about it at least around the same time I found this board.


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