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0303
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Mar-01-05, 10:10 AM (CST)
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"New Lectroject Thread"
 
   I would like to hear about continued updates with the lectroject user results. Please make this thread available for us to communicate.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: New Lectroject Thread bjork Mar-01-05 1
  Its not you guys . . . howladmin Mar-01-05 2
     RE: Its not you guys . . . bjork Mar-02-05 3
         Don't hesitate to contact them directly howladmin Mar-02-05 4
             update on #4 bjork Mar-03-05 5
                 RE: update on #4 0303 Mar-03-05 6
                     RE: update on #4 bjork Mar-03-05 7
                         RE: update on #4 Ham Sandwich Mar-03-05 8
                             These IPs don't appear to be SA howladmin Mar-03-05 9
                                 RE: These IPs don't appear to be SA bjork Mar-03-05 10
                                     RE: These IPs don't appear to be SA 0303 Mar-03-05 11
                                         bjork chuck Mar-04-05 12
                                             #5 bjork Mar-05-05 13
                                             RE: #5 0303 Mar-05-05 14
                                             RE: #5 bjork Mar-05-05 15
                                             RE: #5 Donkey Mar-05-05 16
                                             RE: #5 bjork Mar-05-05 17
                                             RE: #5 Donkey Mar-05-05 18
                                             Aspirin and herpes thread in "Technical".. Rajahadmin Mar-05-05 19
                                             RE: Aspirin and herpes thread in "Technical".. Donkey Mar-05-05 20
                                             RE: #5 NaturalBeauty Apr-16-12 142
                                             Seven years ago... Rajahadmin Apr-16-12 143
                                             RE: #5 rodney Mar-06-05 21
                                             RE: #5 Ham Sandwich Mar-06-05 22
                                             good luck!! bjork Mar-06-05 23
                                             RE: good luck!! Donkey Mar-06-05 24
                                             RE: good luck!! 0303 Mar-09-05 25
                                             RE: good luck!! bjork Mar-09-05 26
                                             RE: good luck!! spirtual27tag Mar-10-05 30
                                             RE: good luck!! bjork Mar-10-05 32
                                             RE: good luck!! jorgy Aug-14-06 120
                                             RE: good luck!! windyadmin Aug-14-06 121
                                             RE: good luck!! Josh Mar-14-06 114
                                             RE: #5 Letraject spirtual27tag Mar-10-05 29
                                             RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question windyadmin Mar-10-05 33
                                             RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question bjork Mar-11-05 34
                                             RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question windyadmin Mar-11-05 35
                                             I've got an O' Scope.. Rajahadmin Mar-11-05 37
                                             RE: I've got an O' Scope.. cletus Mar-11-05 41
                                             LOL.. My first O-scope was a Heathkit.. Rajahadmin Mar-13-05 46
                                             RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question cletus Mar-11-05 36
                                             I looked at the website... Rajahadmin Mar-11-05 38
                                             One little thing about alpha particles howladmin Mar-11-05 39
                                             RE: One little thing about alpha particles cletus Mar-11-05 40
                                             RE: #5 racked Feb-26-06 111
                                             No, of course not.. Rajahadmin Feb-26-06 112
                                             RE: #5 Maria Oct-06-06 123
                                             NO! It's just one of many herpes related scams.. Rajahadmin Oct-06-06 124
                                             RE: #5 hdea Mar-01-08 135
                                             It doesn't work... Sorry, but It's a scam.. Rajahadmin Mar-05-08 136
                         RE: update on #4 lovely101 May-26-07 127
         RE: Its not you guys . . . MT May-26-05 102
             Caveat Emptor... Buyer be very aware... Rajahadmin May-26-05 105
     this is funny thought i would share bjork Mar-09-05 27
         Its funny how small the internet is! howladmin Mar-09-05 28
         ok heres the scoop bjork Mar-10-05 31
             RE: ok heres the scoop Rodney Mar-11-05 42
                 RE: ok heres the scoop bjork Mar-12-05 43
                     RE: ok heres the scoop rodney Mar-12-05 44
                         ozone and lectroject bjork Mar-13-05 45
                             RE: ozone and lectroject rodney Mar-13-05 47
                                 this is not good!! bjork Mar-14-05 48
                                     Not resistant to antivirals howladmin Mar-14-05 49
                                         RE: Not resistant to antivirals bjork Mar-14-05 50
                                         RE: Not resistant to antivirals bjork Mar-15-05 53
                                             Or you didn't get real acyclovir . . . . howladmin Mar-15-05 54
                                         RE: Not resistant to antivirals Pill form then? May-26-05 103
                                     RE: this is not good!! 0303 Mar-14-05 51
                                         RE: this is not good!! bjork Mar-15-05 52
                                             RE: this is not good!! wondering Mar-18-05 55
                                             RE: this is not good!! Donkey Mar-18-05 56
                                             RE: your ozone therapy desperate 1 Mar-18-05 57
                                             RE: your ozone therapy wondering Mar-19-05 60
                                             RE: your ozone therapy MT May-26-05 104
                                             RE: this is not good!! bjork Mar-19-05 58
                                             RE: this is not good!! bjork Mar-19-05 59
                                             RE: this is not good!! wondering Mar-19-05 61
                                             RE: question for wondering desperate 1 Mar-21-05 65
                                             RE: question for wondering wondering Mar-22-05 69
                                             What test is that exactly? Rajahadmin Mar-22-05 71
                                             RE: What test is that exactly? wondering Mar-29-05 74
                                             RE: question for wondering hsvsteve21 Dec-12-07 133
                                             RE: question for wondering Rajahadmin Dec-13-07 134
                                             RE: this is not good!! sweetman Mar-21-05 62
                                             hi sweetman bjork Mar-21-05 63
                                             RE: hi sweetman sweetman Mar-21-05 64
                                             RE: hi sweetman windyadmin Mar-21-05 66
                                             for windy bjork Mar-22-05 67
                                             RE: for windy windyadmin Mar-22-05 68
                                             RE: for windy Donkey Mar-22-05 70
                                             How is lectrojet going?? sweetman Mar-29-05 73
                                             RE: How is lectrojet going?? spot May-07-07 125
                                             I'm guessing that it works well for the people who.. Rajahadmin May-07-07 126
                                             RE: for windy windyadmin Mar-29-05 75
                                             RE: this is not good!! dontnowhat2do Mar-19-06 117
                                             It's a scam, please don't waste your money. Rajahadmin Mar-19-06 118
                         RE: ok heres the scoop Drake Mar-14-06 113
  RE: New Lectroject Thread spirtual27tag@aol Mar-29-05 72
     RE: New Lectroject Thread bjork Mar-30-05 76
         Thanks for the report, Bjork.. Rajahadmin Mar-30-05 77
  RE: New Lectroject Thread ecoastto12 Apr-04-05 78
  RE: New Lectroject Thread guest Apr-04-05 79
     So far... Donkey Apr-04-05 80
         RE: So far... wondering Apr-04-05 81
             RE: So far... Donkey Apr-05-05 82
             RE: So far... rodney Apr-05-05 83
                 RE: So far... bjork Apr-05-05 84
                     RE: So far... Donkey Apr-07-05 85
                         RE: So far... bjork Apr-08-05 86
                             RE: So far... Donkey Apr-09-05 87
                                 i am not doing anymore bjork Apr-12-05 88
                                     RE: i am not doing anymore Donkey Apr-12-05 89
                             RE: So far... BOUVARD Apr-17-05 90
                                 no more treatments bjork Apr-17-05 91
                                     RE: no more treatments jeremy Apr-23-05 93
                                         RE: no more treatments windyadmin Apr-25-05 98
                                             RE: no more treatments lovely101 May-26-07 128
                                             Blood tests for herpes.. Rajahadmin May-26-07 129
                                             RE: no more treatments windyadmin May-26-07 130
                                             RE: no more treatments lovely101 May-26-07 131
                                             Yes, I'm afraid you are right.. Rajahadmin May-26-07 132
                                     RE: no more treatments jono_tt Jun-15-08 137
                                         Please don't waste your money with this scam.. Rajahadmin Jun-15-08 138
  RE: New Lectroject Thread Della Apr-17-05 92
     RE: New Lectroject Thread Sweetman Apr-25-05 94
         RE: New Lectroject Thread howladmin Apr-25-05 95
         RE: New Lectroject Thread Della Apr-25-05 96
         Don't know if you saw the link.. Rajahadmin Apr-25-05 97
  RE: New Lectroject Thread Liten Apr-27-05 99
     Famous last words... Donkey Apr-27-05 100
         I hope this isn't a final farewell.. Rajahadmin Apr-28-05 101
             refund rodney Oct-29-05 109
                 Glad you got a refund, Rodney.. Rajahadmin Oct-30-05 110
                     RE: Glad you got a refund, Rodney.. nathatlie Mar-17-06 115
                 All things considered Prayer Apr-11-06 119
     RE: New Lectroject Thread nathatlie Mar-17-06 116
         RE: New Lectroject Thread athought Sep-12-06 122
  RE: New Lectroject Thread thejayman12 Jul-20-08 139
     Thanks for chiming in.. Rajahadmin Jul-20-08 140
  RE: New Lectroject Thread cure Jun-29-11 141
     RE: New Lectroject Thread, #2 needacure Jul-19-12 144
         RE: New Lectroject Thread, #3 needacure Jul-22-12 145
             RE: New Lectroject Thread, #3 needacure Jul-29-12 146
                 RE: New Lectroject Thread, #6 needacure Aug-01-12 147

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bjork
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Mar-01-05, 09:23 PM (CST)
 
1. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
In response to message #0
 
   thanks i dont know why they keep getting locked. anyhow tonight will be treatment #4 (cross your fingers) i will keep you updated


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howladmin
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Mar-01-05, 10:06 PM (CST)
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2. "Its not you guys . . ."
In response to message #0
 
   You guys did nothing wrong in discussing your experiences.

There was one poster who seemed to be representing the company and doing a little free advertising. Commercial advertising is strictly banned unless its been pre-approved by Rajah. Its actually part of the posting policy. Locking the thread was one way of making the point.

Best,

Howl


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bjork
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Mar-02-05, 00:30 AM (CST)
 
3. "RE: Its not you guys . . ."
In response to message #2
 
   ok. well the one thing i did see was what seemed to be someone from the company explaining why the electrodes from the machine were placed on the wrists, which i actually found informative, but i do understand the logic, although having a rep may help in some cases when there are questions that we as the "guinea pigs" dont understand
anyhow will keep you all updated on my experiance, and hope to hear from others who are trying this thing also.


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howladmin
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Mar-02-05, 08:49 AM (CST)
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4. "Don't hesitate to contact them directly"
In response to message #3
 
   LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-05 AT 08:51 AM (CST)
 
All the info is on their website. Caveat Emptor.

Howl


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bjork
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Mar-03-05, 00:26 AM (CST)
 
5. "update on #4"
In response to message #4
 
   well i did #4 last night and i have what seems to be the start of a new ob on my perineum...hmm, well i am going to try and be optimistic and say "sometimes it gets worse before it gets better" and i am supposed to do 10 treaments so i'll try not to worry too much.


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0303
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Mar-03-05, 03:29 PM (CST)
 
6. "RE: update on #4"
In response to message #5
 
   Well is it an outbreak or not? Lets hope for the best, after ten are you going to get a pcr test or one of the others to detect if the virus is still present in your body?


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bjork
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Mar-03-05, 06:07 PM (CST)
 
7. "RE: update on #4"
In response to message #6
 
   yep it is...well #5 is tonight, i think i will wait a little while on the test to see if i have another one, so far they have been about a month and a half apart (i've only had it since november) if i dont see it for 2months i guess i will get tested, otherwise if i have an outbreak, no need to spend the time or money on a test....anyone else out there got their machine yet?


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Ham Sandwich
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Mar-03-05, 08:53 PM (CST)
 
8. "RE: update on #4"
In response to message #7
 
   Id put money down that says all these posts are from south african IPs.


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howladmin
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Mar-03-05, 09:06 PM (CST)
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9. "These IPs don't appear to be SA"
In response to message #8
 
   These are IPs in the US.

howl


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bjork
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Mar-03-05, 09:37 PM (CST)
 
10. "RE: These IPs don't appear to be SA"
In response to message #9
 
   your not talking about my posts are you? i live in NC.


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0303
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Mar-03-05, 10:29 PM (CST)
 
11. "RE: These IPs don't appear to be SA"
In response to message #10
 
   I live in boston ma.


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chuck
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Mar-04-05, 09:11 AM (CST)
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12. "bjork"
In response to message #11
 
   hey i am in NC too! email me so we can talk about that machine.

cpaynehpc@yahoo.com

thanks
chuck


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bjork
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Mar-05-05, 01:44 AM (CST)
 
13. "#5"
In response to message #12
 
   well i did #5 and i have the worst ob so far! i emailed the rep and asked if that was normal..he said he was going to contact the dr. who invented this thing and ask him, i'll let you all know what happens next...
ps. i emailed you chuck


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0303
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Mar-05-05, 01:26 PM (CST)
 
14. "RE: #5"
In response to message #13
 
   thats not good, i have read on some of the other alternative methods threads that when introducing the virus with some things at first it will react badly then maybe some great results after. Like DMSO treatment and h2o oxyegen treatments. Hopefully the doctor will have some insight for you and us about your bad results thus far. Well return it after the PCR test if bad results.


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bjork
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Mar-05-05, 04:22 PM (CST)
 
15. "RE: #5"
In response to message #14
 
   yeah i should, but i think getting the test will cost about the same as i paid for this thing, and then no for sure they would give it back, i cant see myself sueing some guy in s.africa for 300....but i will find every site i can and let everyone know if it doesnt work!!ok well lets not loose hope yet 5 more treatments to go


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Donkey
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Mar-05-05, 05:58 PM (CST)
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16. "RE: #5"
In response to message #15
 
   Just wanted to say a big thanks to everyone for keeping this thread going; especially bjork, who's guinea-pigging it and letting us know if this treatment is for real or not. I admit I've been doing a disgusting amount of research, trying to educate myself on all the treatments -- even the "too good to be true" ones like this might appear to be. I'm brand new to H, but trying to deal in a productive way. Like many out there, my doctor gave me the brush off regarding my concerns, treatment, and how I can get more educated on what I can do. She just gave me an HIV pamphlet and told me to contact a health department clinic. "Thanks, doctor -- I see I am in good hands now!" (he said sarcastically) The medical community treats H like a joke, so I would love to see them either A. sacrifice their billions of dollars in suppressive treatment income (yeah right) and find a permanent, curative in vitro treatment or B. get their come-uppance from the world of alternative medicine. I'm thinking B. is more likely, so I am looking forward to further updates, and thanks again!


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bjork
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Mar-05-05, 07:47 PM (CST)
 
17. "RE: #5"
In response to message #16
 
   its nice to know there are people who appriciate and share what i am doing, i really dont have anyone around here to talk to about this, so this is a good way to express my fears and frustrations with it and get feed back also......tonight is the next treatment! as you all know i had an ob, bad one...
but i found something interesting and was wonderdering if anyone else has tried this:
i read somewhere that aspirin taken orally may reduce # and duration of obs...so i thought why not topically...i tried it, maybe i should start this in a new topic...cuz i had awsome results!!not healed completely, but totally dried up, no swelling or redness left! i dont know if there is anything bad about using asprin topically but it seems to work.
ps.(donkey) i dont know if i mentioned before that i am new to this also and am trying to find what works for me...incase this machine doesnt


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Donkey
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Mar-05-05, 09:12 PM (CST)
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18. "RE: #5"
In response to message #17
 
   Bjork, what kind of topical(???) aspirin did you get? I read 125mg/day was used in the study from 1998. Don't know if this is old hat for everyone, but:
http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/128/8/696-b

In brief: It sounds like they stumbled onto it because a 45-year old man with oral HSV had a heart attack and was given aspirin. After 3 months of using the aspirin, "...the patient reported complete disappearance of the herpetic episodes. Aspirin was his only new medication."

I'd like to try the aspirin -- I am still getting over my first outbreak, and although the worst is over, I am having mild on and off symptoms.

Good luck with #6!


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Mar-05-05, 09:30 PM (CST)
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19. "Aspirin and herpes thread in "Technical".."
In response to message #18
 
http://www.racoon.com/dcforum/tech/2081.html

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain


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Donkey
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Mar-05-05, 10:40 PM (CST)
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20. "RE: Aspirin and herpes thread in "Technical".."
In response to message #19
 
   Thanks, Rajah. I needed to discover the Technical forum.


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NaturalBeauty
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142. "RE: #5"
In response to message #18
 
   Can Yu Please Send Me A Link Of The Type Of Asprin So I Can Know What It Looks Like...Pleasee


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Rajahadmin
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Apr-16-12, 10:21 PM (CST)
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143. "Seven years ago..."
In response to message #142
 
You are responding to a post from 2005.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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rodney
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Mar-06-05, 01:43 AM (CST)
 
21. "RE: #5"
In response to message #15
 
   I just got my machine and it had a note that said to save all the packing should want to return it if it doesn't work for me . I think this company is and will stand behind their gurantee and I bet if you tell them your still haveing breakouts and want to return it after 10 - 20 treatements they will take your word and not risk getting a bad reputation and looseing 100's of potential more sales . They do say they only have a 85% sucess rate for herpes . Remember that the same premise is used in Transport Pharmaceuticals machine, which landed a $27 million contract with GlaxoSmithKline. So the science behind this machine and how it works is good science .


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Ham Sandwich
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Mar-06-05, 02:40 AM (CST)
 
22. "RE: #5"
In response to message #21
 
   interesting. If anyone has success with this, sell me your used machine when you're done


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bjork
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Mar-06-05, 07:38 PM (CST)
 
23. "good luck!!"
In response to message #21
 
   i really hope it does work...dont we all, lol...anyhow yeah they said 85% after 5 treatments...but the rep seemed to be sure that after 10 treatments one would be completely cured...#6 went well, thanks cant wait to hear how it works for you!! and for who it was that asked: i just used generic (eckard i think) uncoated asprin 325mg...let me know if you try it how it works for ya k?


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Donkey
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Mar-06-05, 11:10 PM (CST)
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24. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #23
 
   Thanks for your aspirin info, bjork! I appreciate it, and I'll let you know how it works for me.

Call me inspired, crazy or both -- but I just ordered one of these things, too. I hate sitting still when I feel like I can do something, even if that means taking a risk... Also, the act of sitting still doesn't physically agree with me as much as it did before. Discomfort is a curious motivator! Rodney, have you started on it yet? I think what I'm going to do is do the treatments, get tested, and all that bit. If I feel better at all or my tests come back negative like they suggest they might, I'm going to eat an entire box of chocolate, start drinking coffee (I never drink that junk, just want the high caffeine load), and go to town on whatever else that might dramatically upset my L-arginine/Lysine balance. Don't try this at home, kids -- I'm not an expert, but I am insane. But I figure it might be a better test of the effectiveness of this treatment than a PCR test alone or dissecting my spine to look for fiery microscopic orbs. Knock on wood.


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0303
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Mar-09-05, 11:39 AM (CST)
 
25. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #24
 
   How many treatments are you in now? I should get mine in a couple days. It s been shipped. I will update the board. Did the rep email you and say that you should be cured after 10 or did you call?


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bjork
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Mar-09-05, 04:43 PM (CST)
 
26. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #25
 
   tonight i do #8....as i said before i had an ob after #4 and am still waiting to hear back from the rep (who said he/she was waiting to hear from the Dr.)....it was by e-mail, as the numbers on the site were disconnected(maybe not a good sign) anyhow, who emailed you, danie kriel? just wondering if we get contacted by the same person cuz everytime i tried to contact the company he/she was the only one who ever responded.


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spirtual27tag
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Mar-10-05, 01:30 AM (CST)
 
30. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #26
 
   Have anyone been cure from the machine yet? Is this accurate. Someone please email me at spirtual27tag@aol.com


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bjork
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Mar-10-05, 02:53 AM (CST)
 
32. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #30
 
   no one cured yet, i am on treatment #8, 2 more then it is wait and see, or go get tested, as far as i know....no one else is this far along in the process, but a few people on here have ordered so hopefully we will hear from them soon


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jorgy
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Aug-14-06, 09:02 AM (CST)
 
120. "RE: good luck!!"
In response to message #26
 
   Hi, your right about Danie Kriel he's the only one that responds to my mail. He seems a very nice guy thou and usual responds within 48 hours.

I typed in Lectrojet herpes on the search engine and someone has posted lectrojet 'another big scam' because names vouching for the product have been used in things like cures for bronchitis(coincidence maybe not).

Jorgy


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121. "RE: good luck!!"
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Don't confuse Lectrojet with Lectroject. Lectrojet is a needle-free injection system, which is approve by the FDA. This thread is about Lectroject, and I think I've already covered the subject sufficiently in my other posts. Please read them.


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114. "RE: good luck!!"
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   Hey, I think I may have H and I was wondering about the aspirin thing. Did you just crush it up and put it on there? If you'd email me I would appreciate it greatly.

durandjoshua@yahoo.com


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29. "RE: #5 Letraject"
In response to message #21
 
   Hello I order the machine and I did not have a plug so I am waiting on Mr.Kriel to send the plug and he also told me that the medication and pad that the machine goes to come in a different package. Did any one have this problem.


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33. "RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question"
In response to message #21
 
I'm not sure that this thing is using the same technology as Transport Pharmaceuticals, which is based on iontophoresis. We were told by someone in the other Lectroject thread that this machine doesn't do iontophoresis.

Here's a news article about TP. Other articles say the same thing.

Transport Pharmaceuticals tagged by GlaxoSmithKline for herpes treatment deal - Framingham-based Transport Pharmaceuticals Inc. has signed a license and collaboration agreement with pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline PLC for Transport's iontophoretic device/drug combination system for the delivery of acyclovir, an approved cold sore (herpes labialis) treatment.
Mass High Tech - - Thu, 27 Jan 2005 15:55:00 GMT


Here's a link to papers on medline about iontophoresis of acyclovir. I almost don't want to say this, because I don't want to think about the result, but in order to do iontophoresis, the drug and the current need to be as close as possible to the target in the skin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Display&dopt=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=9685896


Here's my question -
Anybody who has this machine, do you own or have access to an oscilliscope and can hook this thing up and get a printout of the waveform it puts out? I'd be interested to see it. Talk to your most geeky tech friends, and maybe they'll have one. Thanks.



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34. "RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question"
In response to message #33
 
   um i dont know what an oscilliscope is..but i do remember the site said something about using "alpha particles?" look on the site i think under "treatment"


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35. "RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question"
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Yeah, I saw the part about alpha particles and thought it was odd. It's been awhile since I've looked at any particle physics, so I googled them up to refresh my memory. Does that website mention what the source of those alpha particles is?

My bet is that the machine does iontophoresis. It would need to deliver a low-volt DC current to do that. The part about attaching it to the wrists sounds like Hulda Clark's zapper. That one delivers an intermittent pulsed current, but I don't recall if it's AC or DC.

An oscilloscope is an instrument that measures an electrical current and displays it graphically on a screen. If you've ever seen any science fiction movies from the 1950's, then you've seen one, as it was a standard prop.


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37. "I've got an O' Scope.."
In response to message #35
 
It a standard piece of test equipment in any electronics lab. It can measure voltages (ac, dc, pulses) and view waveforms. I'm not interested in spending money on the Lectroject machine myself, though, so I can check it out. If anyone wants to send me theirs for analysis, I'd be glad to do that and return it when I've studied it. I'm a graduate Electrical Engineer with over 40 years experience with electronics, so I stand a fair chance of figuring out what's in it.


Oscilloscope

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41. "RE: I've got an O' Scope.."
In response to message #37
 
>It a standard piece of test equipment in any electronics
>lab. It can measure voltages (ac, dc, pulses) and view
>waveforms. I'm not interested in spending money on the
>Lectroject machine myself, though, so I can check it out. If
>anyone wants to send me theirs for analysis, I'd be glad to
>do that and return it when I've studied it. I'm a graduate
>Electrical Engineer with over 40 years experience with
>electronics, so I stand a fair chance of figuring out what's
>in it.
>

>
>Oscilloscope

>

That's no oscilloscope, Raj

Cletus, who in his first job wrote the software and designed the fixturing for the wafer test of the 8Ghz, 4-input multiplexing track-and-hold on the early Tektronix TDS series 2Gs digitizing oscilloscopes.

(Just in case you thought you were the only terminal nerd on the forum)

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46. "LOL.. My first O-scope was a Heathkit.."
In response to message #41
 
The one in the picture here to the left was not the first one, but it's the earliest I've got a picture of.

Shortly after this I got a surplus HP rack mount type scope, of course, all tubes. Then, when Texas Instruments, where I was working at the time, went all solid-state with their scopes, I got an Tektronix Dual-beam with a pair of CA plug-ins to give me four traces total. It came with a cart and the power supply was a separate unit on the bottom shelf. It made a great heater in the winter. I used that one for several years. The picture below is not my unit, but a pic I found on the web.

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36. "RE: A couple notes about Transport Pharm and a question"
In response to message #34
 
>um i dont know what an oscilliscope is..but i do remember
>the site said something about using "alpha particles?" look
>on the site i think under "treatment"

Sounds like a load of bullshit to me. Alpha particles are helium nuclei stripped of their electrons - two protons and two neutrons - ejected from the nucleus of a larger atom. They are only produced as a byproduct of radioactive decay.

Alpha radiation is not particularly strong or damaging - a couple of inches of air is sufficient to stop it, as well as your skin. So unless the electrodes of this machine have been coated with an alpha producing radioactive substance, which I doubt but don't have first hand knowledge, they're jerking your chain, and even if it was true, the alpha particles wouldn't make it past your bodies front line defense.

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38. "I looked at the website..."
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Besides the obvious alpha particle BS (unless there is some sort of radioactive component involved here), I was interested to read on the page at http://lectroject.com/operation.htm "electrodes (round plaster adhesives) were attached to either wrist joined together by a wire which was activated with 225 milliamps."

That is more than enough current to be fatal! Especially when it's passing through the body from, as I understand it, one wrist to the other. Here is some data from a couple of sources: "The table found in the Bussmann handbook differs slightly from the one available from MIT: for the DC threshold of perception (men), the MIT table gives 5.2 mA while the Bussmann table gives a slightly greater figure of 6.2 mA. Also, for the "unable to let go" 60 Hz AC threshold (men), the MIT table gives 20 mA while the Bussmann table gives a lesser figure of 16 mA." 225 mA is more than an order of magnitude greater.

I've also got a question about the acyclovir cream that is supplied with the unit.. Isn't acyclovir still a prescription drug? Did any of you folks who bought the unit get a scrip from a US doctor for it?


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39. "One little thing about alpha particles"
In response to message #38
 
   I'm not even sure these machines do use alpha particles. I'd be worried about radiation in the hands of anyone who isn't trained and ha sthe equipment to monitor whats happening.

People get a lot of exposure to alpha particles through radon. They don't even penetrate a piece of paper BUT, people can ingest them or inhale them accidentally. How much of risk that could represent, I don't know.

Heres the EPA's take: http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/alpha.htm


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40. "RE: One little thing about alpha particles"
In response to message #39
 
>I'm not even sure these machines do use alpha particles. I'd
>be worried about radiation in the hands of anyone who isn't
>trained and ha sthe equipment to monitor whats happening.
>
>People get a lot of exposure to alpha particles through
>radon. They don't even penetrate a piece of paper BUT,
>people can ingest them or inhale them accidentally. How much
>of risk that could represent, I don't know.
>

I've been keeping my snake oil alarm under tight wraps on this thread, but the more I read in this forum the more convinced I become that this thing is nothing but yet another scam to take desperate people's money. Which is what most of us suspected from the start, anyway.

Folks, stop throwing your money away. There's no cure for herpes in this product.

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111. "RE: #5"
In response to message #15
 
   >yeah i should, but i think getting the test will cost about
>the same as i paid for this thing, and then no for sure they
>would give it back, i cant see myself sueing some guy in
>s.africa for 300....but i will find every site i can and let
>everyone know if it doesnt work!!ok well lets not loose hope
>yet 5 more treatments to go


Did it work!


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112. "No, of course not.."
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It's a scam. See http://lectroject.googlepages.com/

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123. "RE: #5"
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   Just got diagnosed with herpies please let me know if this machine is working.

Thank you


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124. "NO! It's just one of many herpes related scams.."
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See http://lectroject.googlepages.com for an analysis of just what's inside it.

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135. "RE: #5"
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   Nonone said if it worked or not, please respond, anyone cured yet?


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136. "It doesn't work... Sorry, but It's a scam.."
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See http://lectroject.googlepages.com and read some of the other posts here in this thread.

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127. "RE: update on #4"
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   have you had another outbreak since? I've just been diagnosed and really interested in buying the machine. has it worked for you. please respond or email me at ms_armstrong83@yahoo.com


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102. "RE: Its not you guys . . ."
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   Are you trying the Lectrojet? Is it for real? Please let me know.
Thanks,
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105. "Caveat Emptor... Buyer be very aware..."
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-06 AT 11:42 AM (CST)
 
Take a look at http://lectroject.googlepages.com/ I suggest you read the rest of this thread.

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27. "this is funny thought i would share"
In response to message #2
 
   you guys remember the last thread that got locked becouse of "blondie?"...i just saw someone with the same name on an LA/Orange county discussion board claiming she had the machine and used it on like 9 of her friends..."and they were all cured"!!ha ha ha...well i know i havent even finished using it on ONE, myself...CRAZY


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28. "Its funny how small the internet is!"
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   I run across people from here in all sorts of place, alternative therapy discussion boards and the like. Never ceases to surprise me


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31. "ok heres the scoop"
In response to message #27
 
   finished #8, and heard from the rep...according to him this was the Dr.'s response to me having an ob...
From Dr Kieth:

"I dont understand how a patient can experience a severe outbreak of herpes while under treatment. This phenomenon is new to my experience. Herpes either responds to treatment (85%) or it doesn't (15%). It doesn't worsen! This is beyond the laws of sceince. I.E. you either respond or you don't. Will investigate."

Regards

Danie

well thats what they said, any thoughts?that wasnt on the website now was it?}>


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42. "RE: ok heres the scoop"
In response to message #31
 
   Did the #8 treatement seem to have any effect on the length of your breakout . Do you respond well to antivirals ? I do and I hope that puts me well within the 85% sucess rate . We'll see ! I've done 3 treatements so far.
I think this company really belives in their machine and the results many people are getting with it. I think they value their reputation enough that they will be very fair about refunding $ to the ones that it doesn't work for . And very fair would be for them to take our word for it if we still have outbreaks so we don't have to spend a lot of $ for unessary test. They know what's being said about them here on this site and they know they have a huge chance to prove that their machine works and make a butt load of $ . And they know very well that they could become labeled a scam on every herpes web-site on this earth and never sell another machine .
I bet they would even be grateful to have their machines passed around some to prove it works for some people . They couldn't ask for any better advertisement .


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43. "RE: ok heres the scoop"
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   i dont think it had much of an effect on the length of it, almost 12days from start to finish, the only time i ever had one that long was my initial (14days) 5 months ago, since then i had a couple (5-6day)....so i dont know..the only time i have ever taken anti-virals was about 8days into my initial so i dont know what effect those had, i am trying not to loose hope in "the machine" i will probably do 20 or so treatments so i know for sure either way.
ps.#9 was tonight.

RODNEY: how often are your ob? and are you on any anti-virals now? just wondering how long we will have to wait to see if it helps you


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44. "RE: ok heres the scoop"
In response to message #43
 
   My obs have came back to about one a month since my prostate surgery 9 months ago . Now the obs come to never before places on him which I think is good because i think it is some of the virus that has been dormant or is never active . I started doing ozone treatements every other day 2 months ago and have not had a ob since . Some obs I will take 1 500mg. valtrex but I don't want to supress the virus when I'm not haveing an ob. I want it to come out so I can kill it with ozone like it so effectively does. I'm not doing any ozone treatements while I'm tring this lectrojet machine to see if it works or not for me.


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45. "ozone and lectroject"
In response to message #44
 
   only problem is, how will you know if the ozone killed enough for your body to fight it off already? you may not get another ob for a long time cuz of that, so how will you know if the lectroject worked? will you get pcr test? i do #10 tomarrow so it is wait and see i guess for me now


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47. "RE: ozone and lectroject"
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   my obs after surgery were very sever to these new ob places like when I was first infected . They made large rash areas on him just like the first initial infection .
The ozone treatements weren't as effective like the first time I tried it but it finally did stop the outbreak after a about 3 days .But now i do know my dosage was always too low .These last few obs were so weak and small that I only noticed them by sight. The first time I tried ozone I did go from monthly obs to 13 months with out another ob so yes it may be awhile before I have another ob if I do . I still have great hopes that this lectrojet machine could finish off this very weakened and depleted virus liveing in me .
I don't think a pcr test will detect any virus if I'm not haveing an outbreak or if the virus isn't active.


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48. "this is not good!!"
In response to message #47
 
   hey everyone, i just wanted to let you all know, i am on #10 tonight and i just started growing a coldsore on my bottom lip!! this does not seem to be working for me...i was thinking about trying it closer to where the virus lives..like the lower spine, maybe that will have some effect, i dont know. maybe i am resistant to anti-virals....or maybe this is just another scam


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49. "Not resistant to antivirals"
In response to message #48
 
   Hey Bjork,

Very few people are resistant to antivirals in the true sense of the word. The antivials are extremely effective in treating herpes, but because herpes is in the nerve oral medications which get the drug into your blood stream are the most effective. Topical acyclovir is just ineffective.

I've been curious about this, how do you know you've got acyclovir cream?

Howl


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50. "RE: Not resistant to antivirals"
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   it was in one of those little sample tubes, unopened/sealed.


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53. "RE: Not resistant to antivirals"
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   well supposedly the lectroject was supposed to have the effect equal to injection in the vain, so i think unless i am resistant (as you say not likely) then thier claims are false.


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54. "Or you didn't get real acyclovir . . . ."
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   Hi Bjork,

I know you spent money on this and had good expectations. There are a lot of reasons I can think of why the process didn't work besides being 'resistant' to antivirals.

Might be worth trying supressive antivirals to see if they do work as a test.

Howl


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May-26-05, 05:53 PM (CST)
 
103. "RE: Not resistant to antivirals"
In response to message #49
 
   Are we talking about Zovirex in pill form instead of the cream then?

MT


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51. "RE: this is not good!!"
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   do you hve hsv1 also? Why would you get cold sore?


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52. "RE: this is not good!!"
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   yes i do, wierd thing is...i hadnt had a cold sore for over a year (maybe longer)before i got genital, then i started getting them almost once a month..any one else experiance that? anyhow, i was just saying that the lectroject is supposed to get rid of both, and i had a genital ob after 4th treatment and then a cold sore just after the 9th.


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55. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #52
 
   I just came across this site on lectroject. i actually have one also and am going through the process. I started with a different brand of the cream because the order comes in two packages. (same as mentioned above). Mine also came with no plug. Best bet is go to home depot and get a plug for about 6-7 bucks and screw it on yourself. I am on the third treatment with the websites brand of cream which I definitely noticed a difference. The first one I was using had a waxy base so I dont think it was able to be "injected" properly. Anyway, I am experiencing basically the same reaction. Not an outbreak, but a lot of symptoms of activity. Actually some areas of slow healing/scarring appear to have started to clear up. I have 1&2 on face and genitals. Previously, I had minimal symptoms after a lot of ozone therapy. I will try anything to ease/get rid of this awful bug. I think its part of the process of get worse before it gets better. I emailed Danie about the process several times and he says 5 or 10 isnt the magic number. Some people react differently, mild cases 5 is enough, 10 for tougher, and maybe more for cases like mine. I am also using it every day, and a longer duration. Like I said, I have a lot of it so I am attempting to taylor the protocol to a more agressive approach and see what works. If nothing else, I will send it back and get a refund. I dont mind being a guinea pig. Also symptoms are much less after treatment. Its as the day goes on it seems to act up as the virus is probably fighting back. I will post later and let you know how its going.


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56. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #55
 
   Thanks for the update, wondering! Keep 'em coming.

- D


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57. "RE: your ozone therapy"
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   Hi Wondering,

You said you had minimal symptoms following ozone therapy. Can you please tell me what kind of ozone treatment you received and was it through a naturopathic doctor?
How many sessions did it take for you, and at what frequency (how many sessions per week) to notice a difference?
Have you stopped ozone therapy now?

Thank you!


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60. "RE: your ozone therapy"
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   desperate,

Mainly I have done the Autohemotherapy. I also have done the funneling and ear insufflation. I also drink ozonated water every day. Its benefits are amazing. My counts are in the negative range because of the ozone. I still go for treatments a few times a month because I still experience symptoms. Yes it was through a certified doctor, well actually his technician does the therapy. I went 2x's per week for about 10 weeks. I noticed a major difference after about 8-10 treatments. Again I had a bad case. I keep after it with ozone because I feel it is the best method and has the best chance to wipe this out.


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104. "RE: your ozone therapy"
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   I don't understand what this therapy is...could you explain a little more?
Thanks,
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58. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #55
 
   thanks wondering, i did not know i could do it everyday...i will start that...please keep me updated, also on what danie sais...lets compare to see if we get the same info cuz i email him/her alot also to ask questions.


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59. "RE: this is not good!!"
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   hey i was thinking about something else...wondering, do you take out earings (if you wear them)when you do the treatment? it said something about a magnetic energy and i wonder if jewlery would interfer...also...do you only put the electrodes on your wrists? i thought about putting them on my lower back...hmm,


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61. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #59
 
   bjork

I will keep you posted as to the developments/progress. Today after treatment last night I noticed a slight outbreak taking place. I did not feel any prodome symptoms, it just showed up which i thought was odd. Again, its been months since any type of outbreak like this. Also I will compare notes on what danie had to say. I asked alot of questions also. He was usually pretty quick to return the email. I will check my files to see if there was anything worth mentioning here.
Nope no earrings, so not an issue. As a safety precaution I would remove them. I put the electrodes on the wrists over the main artery closest to the surface of the skin on the outside portion of the wrist. If this works, thats the best spot to hit the circulatory system. I also thought of hitting the spine area, but have not tried it yet. Thats next on the list.


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65. "RE: question for wondering"
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   Hi Wondering,

You have mentioned that your "counts" dropped following ozone treatments. What do you mean by counts?
As far as I know, there is viral-load count for HIV but there is no viral load count for herpes. So, what test was used to measure your herpes viral count?!


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69. "RE: question for wondering"
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   In addition to the IGg test which measures antibodies in your system, they ran another test which supposedly is one that measures active virus in your blood. A 0.9 or greater is considered positive. I test at a 0.34 now. I was as low as a 0.20. I have to find the paperwork to know exactly what the test was.


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71. "What test is that exactly?"
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As we've discussed here before, the virus is not in your blood except perhaps during a primary episode. I'm not aware of such a test, although I'll be the first to admit I'm not a doctor. Can you help us out with that info?

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74. "RE: What test is that exactly?"
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   I guess I was misinformed. The virus "supposedly" is not in the blood at all times or just during an outbreak. Here is an excerpt from Dr. Konrad as to what the tests are that I took:

"The patient’s blood can be examined in order to detect the ( immunoglobuline ) IgG and IgM levels. A high IgG level means there has been previous contact of this person with the Herpes virus. A high IgM level means there is a Herpes eruption presently going on. Every Herpes patient knows that he has at one time been exposed to the Herpes virus, and will not need an IgG test to find this out."


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133. "RE: question for wondering"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-13-07 AT 06:25 AM (CST) by howl (admin)
 
Hey Wondering:

Please fill me in on your progress...I am very interested!

Please email me at hsvsteve21 at yahoo.com.

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134. "RE: question for wondering"
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Since Wondering posted in 2005, I doubt you'll hear from them as they've not been a regular here recently.

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62. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #55
 
  
Hi Im from Australia and wondering how its going. Are you okay?? DOes it hurt?? I have email Danie heaps but im not yet convinced. You need to have a blood test as well to make sure it is completely gone. When do you think you will get the tests to find out results??
Hey, GOOD LUCK and congrats for having the balls to give it a go!!
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63. "hi sweetman"
In response to message #62
 
   i dont know if i will get tested....blood test wont do any good and i cant know for sure by a pcr swab..so for me it is wait and see...i have had to do more than 10 treatments, so i am not sure if it is working or not...i would be interested in hearing what danie had to say to you also just to compare


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64. "RE: hi sweetman"
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Here is two emails I sent to Danie
(I had a blood test to see if I had H1 and H2, thats how I found out. A swab test was done on a lump once and came back negative prior to my blood test.I just thought blood tests are more accurate. what do you think?)

The response from our Spescialist.
Dear Amanda,
The three hundred patients chosen tested positive to both HSV-1 and HSV-2.
Blood tests done afterwards showed negative in 257 cases. Side effects
include mild stinging sensation, punctate keratopathy (sloughing of skin on
site of application).

In medical science we dont use the word "cure" it is vague, uncientific and
quite meaningless. It actually belongs to the jargon of Quacks. It also
implies a permanent condition. i.e. Gonorrhoea is not cured - it can return
at any time through reinfection even (believe it) through contact with
infected toilet seats, door handles, shared shaving gear, shaking hands with
infected persons. This is borne out by the appearance of MRSA in hospitals -
MRSA is the so-called "SUPERBUG"!

The manufacturers of the cream will talk of "control", "management"or even
"elimination of a virus". All this may sound vague but then medicine is an
inexact science.

If this info is insufficient, please dont hesitate to contact us again.

Regards

Dr Keith


Hi danei,
I forwarded your responses onto someone, can you please clear up their responses??

>1) In the Viral Trails 300 volunteers took part.
>Double blind study?
Yes

>2) Clearance had to be obtained from the Atomic energy board as well
>as the various Health Departments.
>Atomic energy?? Is this gadget radioactive? I know he mentions alpha
>particles, but ... ??
The system is not radioactive. The checks carried out prior to use on human
subject are stringent, for this reason when years ago Americans experienced
the horror of Thalidomide babies, South Africa did not have the problem.
This same situation applies Int.

>5)The machine, like a hypodermic syringe is a delivery unit and
>therefore has no side effects:
>- the medication used with the machine can have side-effects.
>Electrical currents passing through the body can have definite side
>effects. The website mentions 225 Milliamps and that's enough to be
>fatal, especially when applied from one arm to the other so that the
>>>current passes through the chest cavity.
If the machine was a danger to humans - A licence would have been refused.
Also 225MA is the initial force generated to establish a magnetic field -
The magnetic field carries medication. 225MA is reduced through resistance
to less than 1/10th at the skin surface.

>7) It is incorrect to say Herpes isn't in the blood - if this were
>true - transmission of the disease through blood and body fluids
>would not be possible. i.e. If the Herpes virus wasn't found in the
>blood then there would be no test to detect Herpes.
>What? doesn't he know that the blood tests look for the antibodies
>that the immune system produces in response to an infection?
Shows a surprising lack of knowledge. The Elisa test detects antibodies
which explains why so many people infected their partners with AIDS during
the "Window" period, that is, the time between infection and the time when
antibodies showed in the blood. The P.C.R test tracks down viral DNA and so
detects disease early in the process.

Regards

Dr Keith

Hope this helps and your doing fine.
Sweetman


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66. "RE: hi sweetman"
In response to message #64
 
I have some questions and comments. I'll begin my statements with "w)" so that they don't get lost in all the quotes.

windy

>
>Here is two emails I sent to Danie
>(I had a blood test to see if I had H1 and H2, thats how I
>found out. A swab test was done on a lump once and came back
>negative prior to my blood test.I just thought blood tests
>are more accurate. what do you think?)

w) The blood tests you had done would have been antibody tests. Blood testing for herpes is less likely to give a false negative result than a viral culture. PCR testing of swabs would be less likely to give a false negative than viral culture of a swab, but either culture or PCR of a swab will only tell you if there's virus on the skin at the time the swab was taken (i.e. whether there's a recurrence going on or not). It won't tell you if there's latent virus in the ganglia.


>
>The response from our Spescialist.
>Dear Amanda,
>The three hundred patients chosen tested positive to both
>HSV-1 and HSV-2.
>Blood tests done afterwards showed negative in 257 cases.
>Side effects
>include mild stinging sensation, punctate keratopathy
>(sloughing of skin on
>site of application).

w) This isn't clear here or on the Lectroject website. What kind of blood tests were done before and after, and how long after treatment was it? I'd be surprised if someone with herpes tested negative for antibodies in the blood (with certain exceptions) and I'd be surprised if someone with herpes tested positive by PCR blood tests (again, with certain exceptions.)


<snip>

>
>If this info is insufficient, please dont hesitate to
>contact us again.
>
>Regards
>
>Dr Keith
>
>
>Hi danei,
>I forwarded your responses onto someone, can you please
>clear up their responses??
>
>>1) In the Viral Trails 300 volunteers took part.
>>Double blind study?
>Yes
>
>>2) Clearance had to be obtained from the Atomic energy board as well
>>as the various Health Departments.
>>Atomic energy?? Is this gadget radioactive? I know he mentions alpha
>>particles, but ... ??
>The system is not radioactive. The checks carried out prior
>to use on human
>subject are stringent, for this reason when years ago
>Americans experienced
>the horror of Thalidomide babies, South Africa did not have
>the problem.
>This same situation applies Int.

w) On the website, it says that the machine produces alpha particles. Alpha particles are produced by decay of radioactive elements. If the machine is producing alpha particles, what is their source?


>
>>5)The machine, like a hypodermic syringe is a delivery unit and
>>therefore has no side effects:
>>- the medication used with the machine can have side-effects.
>>Electrical currents passing through the body can have definite side
>>effects. The website mentions 225 Milliamps and that's enough to be
>>fatal, especially when applied from one arm to the other so that the
>>>>current passes through the chest cavity.
>If the machine was a danger to humans - A licence would have
>been refused.
>Also 225MA is the initial force generated to establish a
>magnetic field -
>The magnetic field carries medication. 225MA is reduced
>through resistance
>to less than 1/10th at the skin surface.

w) OK, on one page of the website, it says that the molecules of medication are carried by alpha particles, and on another page, it says they are carried by a magnetic field. Which is it? Also, where can I read more about molecules being transported by either alpha particles or by magnetic fields? In the past, I've only read about molecules being transported into the body with electric fields.

>
>>7) It is incorrect to say Herpes isn't in the blood - if this were
>>true - transmission of the disease through blood and body fluids
>>would not be possible. i.e. If the Herpes virus wasn't found in the
>>blood then there would be no test to detect Herpes.
>>What? doesn't he know that the blood tests look for the antibodies
>>that the immune system produces in response to an infection?
>Shows a surprising lack of knowledge. The Elisa test detects
>antibodies
>which explains why so many people infected their partners
>with AIDS during
>the "Window" period, that is, the time between infection and
>the time when
>antibodies showed in the blood. The P.C.R test tracks down
>viral DNA and so
>detects disease early in the process.

w) I'm not even sure how to approach this one. Why is Dr. Keith talking about HIV when the questions were about HSV? The two viruses do not act the same way in the body. Where does Dr. Keith get the idea that herpes is transmitted by blood? Maybe an explanation of what kind of testing was done on the 300 patients would help me understand what he means. If they had PCR testing for viral DNA, what kind of samples were tested - blood, skin/mucous membrane swabs, spinal fluid, other body fluids, or tissue samples? If they had their blood tested by PCR for herpes, can Dr. Keith point me to any sources that describe the interpretation of such test results? I'm only aware of the utility of blood PCR for herpes in the case of disseminated herpes, which is a rare condition.

Thanks,
windy

>
>Regards
>
>Dr Keith
>
>Hope this helps and your doing fine.
>Sweetman


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67. "for windy"
In response to message #66
 
   you have some very direct questions, which i would like the answer to aslo...would you mind e-mailing them and asking them, and let us know what kind of response you get?....i am just going to keep on with this thing i guess for now


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68. "RE: for windy"
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OK, you're right. I should send my own questions to the company. I'll do that today.


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70. "RE: for windy"
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   Thanks, Windy -- you rock. If they shut down their site after they get your e-mail, we won't have to wonder. I hope you get some positive info.

- D


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73. "How is lectrojet going??"
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Hi guys,
Just want to know how the people who have bought lectrojet are going?? Has anyone had any side effects or better had tests done??
How long do you need to use lecrtojet for??

Hope everyone is well.
xx


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125. "RE: How is lectrojet going??"
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   hey yer i am thinking about buying lectrojet has it worked 4 anyone?


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126. "I'm guessing that it works well for the people who.."
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LAST EDITED ON May-07-07 AT 10:38 AM (CST)
 
are selling this scam. None of the independent people who have tried it and that have come here have found that it works and probably for very good reason. There's no scientific basis for it at all.

Check out the web site at http://lectroject.googlepages.com for an analysis of what's in their device.

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75. "RE: for windy"
In response to message #67
 
Since this thread is up at the top again, I'll give a quick response. I've sent two emails to webmaster with questions about the testing used for the study and about the device and about some of the claims on their website. I've gotten responses (from Blondie) to both of those emails, but I've gotten no answers to my questions.

The first response basically said that I misunderstood Dr. Keith's answers, and that I need to read the website. So I rephrased my questions in relation to specific quotes from the website. The response to that was a bunch of questions, I guess to determine whether or not I'm qualified to get answers.

I'm kind of busy right now, but I'll make a full report in the near future.


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117. "RE: this is not good!!"
In response to message #55
 
   Hi, I was just wondering did the machine ever work for you? I just found out I have it and I so scared. please let me know.


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118. "It's a scam, please don't waste your money."
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Take a look at the analysis of their machine at http://lectroject.googlepages.com/

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113. "RE: ok heres the scoop"
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   What is an ozone treatment?


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72. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
In response to message #0
 
   Hello I just recieved my plug yesterday and when I plug it up I did not feel anything. It seem like a machine that has a red light on and that all. Is this a scam? I call and ask about why is this light not staying on and he said it supose to act like that. The machine does not make a sound. Has anyone else experience the same thing?


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76. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
In response to message #72
 
   hey guys, well so far no more obs, i am continueing the machine over the 10 treatments, i usually get one 30-45 days apart so i wont know anything for another week or two i guess, i dont think i am the best control subject for this, as i have only had h since Nov, and my immune system may kick in and control obs as well...but i will keep you updated..cuz if i do have another one after 20+ treatments i can pretty much say it doesnt work........as for the light, mine only worked the first time then quit, but i used a voltage tester to be sure it was still working


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77. "Thanks for the report, Bjork.."
In response to message #76
 
You are right about the ambiguity regarding whether it's the machine or your immune system. I think that's why we read, if they are not fabricated, testimonials about various treatments that indicate that they work. I'm afraid that anecdotal evidence isn't much good compared to actual double-blind studies where a significant statistical number of subjects are followed and half of them are control subjects getting a placebo.

Questions.. Since you tested your unit with a voltmeter, what voltage did you measure and was it dc or ac? When you use the unit, I'm guessing that you don't feel any electrical tingles since you wondered if it was working. Correct?

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78. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   >I would like to hear about continued updates with the
>lectroject user results. Please make this thread available
>for us to communicate.
has anyone had success with this?


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79. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   have there been any new developments with the lectroject? has anyone heard any new responses from the company or anyone who owns it had any confirmed results? has anyone confirmed how/if it works yet? please keep us posted.

thanks,

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80. "So far..."
In response to message #79
 
   Howdy, folks. Here's the deal:

Do NOT feel like you're missing out if you don't get one right this second. Have patience, especially if such a purchase is considered expensive for your budget. I just did #5 last night, and here's what I've noticed...

1. The topical acyclovir (in the super tiny tube) does indeed "vanish" from under the electrode after use; however, after my first use I upped the time I had the unit plugged in to about 45 minutes (the topical cream wasn't totally absorbed). It does appear to absorb into the skin.

2. It appears to generate a magnetic field. The alligator clips that attach to the electrodes are noticably more attracted to the metallic connectors by the time you take them off. HOWEVER, do not use them to pick up small nails that have fallen down the crack in your floor. They're not strong enough.

3. My light comes on, but neither does it pulse to the beat of the music I'm playing nor does it give me super powers when I stare at it for 45 minutes. I'm very, very disappointed. And recently blind in one eye. I think the reason some people have reported their light not working is because they ship the machine in really tight, hard packaging. I'm sure the machine takes a bit of a beating by the time it makes it across the pond. If the Lectroject people are reading this I have two words for you: styrofoam peanuts.

4. I felt a tingling in my wrists only on one occassion: my 2nd session. I don't know what that means, but I remember there was a comment about whether this happens or not. It's no Tegrin!

5. They don't give you enough electrodes to do more than 5 sessions, unless you want to reuse them several times. I'm pretty sure that's not a tasty idea, so I dug around and found a company that sells the electrodes for mega cheap: $5 for 30 of them. They are called Emergency Medical Products, Inc., and they're based out of Wisconsin. These are the same Meditrace electrodes they give you with the unit. Here's the link: http://www.buyemp.com/dept.asp?sku=230%2DPK&dept%5Fid=1031631

6. Effects on PHN? I have been duking it out with post herpetic neuralgia since I had my primary infection two months ago. It's on and off, and it's usually better in the morning and gets worse as the day progresses. Last night after using the machine, I noticed a lessening in the discomfort... Pretty significant. I tried to keep my perspective, and sure enough today it gradually came back. Considering that my PHN discomfort is my index for what the virus might be up to, I can't say anything is happening for certain as a result of using the machine.

7. I have not had an outbreak as a result of using the machine, but I am HSV-1 and that might just be the nature of the beast.

That's been my experience thus far. I plan on continuing using the machine for a total of 10 sessions just for the hell of it; but I seriously doubt that 85% of the people who did 5 sessions at 30 minutes each are "cured." Trust that I am a skeptic with this, so no favorites here! I just want to see what happens and know for myself.

My only health concern is whether the machine's process could cause cancer or something unrelated to and worse than my H condition. The machine itself has no official brand label on it and looks pretty Radio Shack to me... Then again, the time-traveling DeLorean in Back to the Future was built in Doc's garage, too.

Hope this helps!

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81. "RE: So far..."
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   This has been about my experience as well. I use it everyday for at least an hour. The light works, just very dim. It can be seen on and constant witht the lights out. I also ordered more electrodes through the same EMP company. Quick and cheap cause they do get messed up. (not sure from exactly what, but sticky side disintegrates and discolors). I am on about treatment #15 so the web claim isnt accurate. However, I havent had any outbreak since the 4-5 treatment. It appears to be clearing some of the PHN, but is slow. I dont have any symptoms while the machine runs, and shortly thereafter, but as the day progresses, it seems to creep back in you. I will continue as long as I have symptoms for maybe another 15 and see what happens.


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82. "RE: So far..."
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   15 treatments? Every day for at least an hour? Wondering, you're on a mission! It's good to hear that there might be something similar going on with your PHN -- anything to suggest that something is reacting to... something... would be... good? I hope your PHN hits the road soon.

The sticky stuff! Yeeesss. The clear sticky goop on the business end of the disposable electrode is a highly-conductive gel that you would normally have to apply yourself when using a reusable electrode. It probably starts coming apart at the seams because it is water soluble, and there's a good bit of moisture that can get trapped underneath over an hour long period. These electrodes are meant for cardiac monitoring purposes... among other things. I'm just glad they don't stink.

Something I was going to mention but forgot -- thanks to some deliciously distracting Girl Scout cookies and lots of paint fumes (no, not from huffing) -- is that the warranty on the Lectroject machine is good only if you get a PCR before you start using it, and then get another one after your sessions. The documentation has to be there or you won't get a refund. I don't remember if anyone mentioned this earlier, so I wanted to throw it out there. These tests are supposedly meant to prove that the virus can't be found anymore; however, I think there have been some serious holes poked into the usefulness of PCR tests in this case. Oh yeah... The machine also has a service warranty that is void if you open it up and the hamster escapes his wheel.

- Ba-donka-donkey


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83. "RE: So far..."
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   Welp, i had a outbreak 12 hours after my 11th. treatement . That would not have happened if i would have had any descent level of acyclovir in me . I'm so dissapointed because I've read several articals on this iontophoresis science stuff and even saw another much more advance looking machine for some other kind of drugs . If it does work, then I just don't see how it could not at least keep the virus in me supressed . Bummer !! Oh well , I still have my trusty ozone which did stop this outbreak almost instantly as I could feeland tell . I didn't even bother to take any valtrax this time because the outbreaking feeling was over so quick after the first ozone treatement .


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84. "RE: So far..."
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   i have done 23 treatments....the last 8 or so everyday for over an hour...so i if i have another ob (which i am due for in the next 5days or so) i will be giving up on the machine also..will let ya know


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85. "RE: So far..."
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   I hear you, bjork. It's all about the symptoms with this thing. Today wasn't too bad for me. I feel like I am getting better, but I suspect it is just the nature of finally getting over my initial OB (two months later...). I am sticking with the 48 hour thing, just for the sake of following the recommended daily allowance, and tonight I am due for another go. Keep in touch.

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86. "RE: So far..."
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   i stuck with the 48hr thing for the first 10 as recomended..only after that did i increase the time and frequency


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87. "RE: So far..."
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   Did you feel like you needed to do this because there weren't any positive results or were you just trying to be thorough? I'm assuming you're out of the tiny acyclovir tube they sent along with it -- so what are you using now?

My PHN is still improving slightly, but like I said before I can't guarantee that it's from the treatments. I have #8 tomorrow. Hope you're doing well.

- D


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88. "i am not doing anymore"
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   i did run out of cream, so i have quit doing the treatment...i dont know how much good it did if any, but i can say that...i kept track of my 1st 4 ob's...the 2nd was 30days after #1...the 3rd was 33/34days after 2nd....the 4th was 37-38days after the 3rd...so if that pattern continued (starting 4days later then the last) i would be due for one today! so far so good. it may be my immune system kicking in and controlling them also. or the green tea i started drinking everyday...i guess i am not much of a control subject...but i will keep reporting results and hope to hear experience of someone who has had a longer history and can be a better judge of the machines effectiveness.


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89. "RE: i am not doing anymore"
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   Thanks for the update, bjork!

Please let us know if your OB schedule stays the same now that you've stopped. Best wishes, and keep drinking that green tea!

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90. "RE: So far..."
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   ENQUIRER
HI bjork, I was reading of your trails with the lectroject and wondered how you were getting on and whats the latest news?
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91. "no more treatments"
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   LAST EDITED ON Apr-24-05 AT 01:45 PM (CST) by Rajah (admin)
 
i have stopped using the lectroject, although i have not had anymore ob, i believe that is due to my immune system kicking in and the green tea i have been drinking. i sent my machine to be examined.


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93. "RE: no more treatments"
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   Hi,
How are you doing?
I was reading about that machine on their website. I am so curious if you are cured or not.
will you check to see if you still have it in your body?
Hope you will.
Thanks.


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98. "RE: no more treatments"
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The information on the Lectroject website is misleading. They claim that the device is a delivery system for medication. The medication used is acyclovir. Acyclovir is not a cure.

There is no practical way to tell if the virus is still in the body. It hides in the nerve cells, and a blood test can't tell you if it's there or not.

Below is part of the last email I sent them. I wrote this before I saw the report on the components inside the device. After reading that, I don't even think it's safe to try it.


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The most important of these assertions are that the use of this device with acyclovir will remove the virus from the body, 100 percent, and that testing before and after with PCR will prove this. Quoting your website:

The medically proven therapy that attacks viral DNA present and totally eliminates it from the body...

When a P.C.R. (Polymerase Cell Response) test, which tracks viral DNA in the body is negative, it means that the virus has been totally eliminated. (100%)

Acyclovir only prevents viral replication, and it only does this while the drug is present in the infected cells. When the acyclovir is gone from the body, which doesn't take very long, the latent viral DNA in the infected neurons is still there and can begin replicating virus particles again. The half-life of acyclovir in the body is about three hours.

If the Lectroject unit can deliver the acyclovir into the body, the best it could possibly be expected to achieve is to stop or to prevent an outbreak, and repeated uses would be required to maintain therapeutic levels of acyclovir in the body.

Whether the device can deliver enough acyclovir to maintain therapeutic levels is another question. The acyclovir concentration in Zovirax ointment is 50mg/g. You state that Lectroject carries the medication to all cells. For comparison, the recommended intravenous dosages of acyclovir range from 5-20mg/kg of body weight over one hour, every eight hours, for a maximum of 60mg/kg/day.(1) A 70kg adult getting the lowest dose of 5mg/kg every eight hours would receive slightly more than a gram of acyclovir in a day, which is comparable to oral doses.

The low concentration of Zovirax ointment is intended to create therapeutic levels of the drug in the local tissues where the ointment is applied. Spreading the drug out through the entire body would require 20 grams of ointment to deliver one gram of acyclovir. That's more than the large size tube of Zovirax ointment (15g.) contains. Your website states that the Lectroject device delivers about 1/1000 of an oral dose of acyclovir. If the acyclovir is going to all cells as you stated, how is such a low dose effective?

Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) testing of the blood for Herpes simplex virus will only tell if there is virus in the blood. HSV infection results in latent virus residing inside the nuclei of nerve cells, which are not in contact with the blood. This latency is established within a few hours of inoculation, so we can presume that a positive PCR test for HSV in the blood indicates that there is latent virus in the neurons, but we cannot presume that a negative PCR indicates that latent virus is not present. HSV may appear in the blood during a primary or recurrent episode. A negative PCR will only show that the virus is not replicating at the time the sample was taken.

Most of the studies on PCR testing of blood for HSV have been done with cases of neonatal herpes. In these cases, HSV viremia is not universal - it is found in cases of disseminated herpes, sometimes in cases of herpes encephalitis, and even less commonly in cutaneous infections. I'm only aware of a couple of studies that looked at immunocompetent adults with recurrences. Brice, et. al. found HSV DNA in the peripheral blood of 7 out of 34 subjects during an acute recurrence, and in none a few weeks after lesions healed.(2) Youssef, et. al. found that 7 out of 10 individuals showed virus in the blood during a recurrence, and concluded that "viremia during attacks of recurrent herpes simplex is more frequent than previously appreciated."(3)

Antibody tests for HSV would also be useless for determining whether the virus is gone from the body or not. Specific immune responses are lifelong, so one would expect a positive antibody test, even if there were no virus left in the body. Negative tests following previously positive results could not be assumed to show that the virus was gone. Several authors have shown that HSV antibody tests can give erroneously negative results.(4,5,6) It might also be possible for some antibody levels to fall below detectable levels if there are no recurrences for a long time. I'm not aware that this has been documented with herpes tests, but it is well documented with some of the tests used for EBV.


References

1. Zovirax prescribing information, from GlaxoSmithKline

2. Brice SL, Stockert SS, Jester JD, Huff JC, Bunker JD, Weston WL. Detection of herpes simplex virus DNA in the peripheral blood during acute recurrent herpes labialis. J Am Acad Dermatol. 1992 Apr;26(4):594-8.

3. Youssef R, Shaker O, Sobeih S, Mashaly H, Mostafa WZ. Detection of herpes simplex virus DNA in serum and oral secretions during acute recurrent herpes labialis. J Dermatol. 2002 Jul;29(7):404-10.

4. Cherpes TL, Ashley RL, Meyn LA, Hillier SL. Longitudinal Reliability of Focus Glycoprotein G-Based Type-Specific Enzyme Immunoassays for Detection of Herpes Simplex Virus Types 1 and 2 in Women. J Clin Microbiol. 2003 February; 41(2): 671–674.

5. Schmid DS, Brown DR, Nisenbaum R, Burke RL, Alexander D, Ashley R, Pellett PE, Reeves WC. Limits in reliability of glycoprotein G-based type-specific serologic assays for herpes simplex virus types 1 and 2. J Clin Microbiol. 1999 Feb;37(2):376-9.

6. Ashley-Morrow R, Krantz E, Wald A. Time course of seroconversion by HerpeSelect ELISA after acquisition of genital herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) or HSV-2. Sex Transm Dis. 2003 Apr;30(4):310-4.


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128. "RE: no more treatments"
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   Much of the research you've done is very true. The only comment I have is you claiming that because the virus hides in nerve cells a simple blood test can't prove a thing... The web site suggets that you get a spinal tap to test for the elimination of the virus. The site also states that the lectrojet is not 100% effective. Any site stating that their product is 100% is a spoof (at least in science). For HSV-2 its 85% effective and the site states that the virus may come back and one may get reinfected. respond to me by email if you'd like... ms_armstrong83@yahoo.com


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129. "Blood tests for herpes.."
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Windy is right. The blood tests do not look for the virus directly, but rather look for the antibodies that the immune system produces as a response to a herpes infection. A spinal tap is no different in that regard. It cannot prove or disprove the hypothetical elimination of the virus itself. I would venture to guess that a spinal tap is suggested because not many people are going to opt for that procedure voluntarily.

Lectroject is still a scam. See http://lectroject.googlepages.com

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130. "RE: no more treatments"
In response to message #128
 
This sentence from my post above applies to spinal fluid as well as blood -

A negative PCR will only show that the virus is not replicating at the time the sample was taken.


If you wanted to know if the virus is really gone, you'd have to remove the ganglia and test the nerve cells for the virus. You could use PCR for that, but a better method would be to make thin slices, stain them in such a way that you could look at them under a microscope and tell the difference between infected and uninfected cells. Then you'd look for a reduction in the number of infected cells in the treatment group compared to the control group. That's something that would need to be done to laboratory animals, since it's considered unethical to sacrifice humans for medical research.

It's interesting to hear that they changed their website from suggesting blood tests to suggesting CSF tests. If that's a response to my criticisms, then I'm disappointed (but not surprised) that I didn't get the response I'd wanted, which was for them to just go away. There are just too many things wrong with this picture.



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131. "RE: no more treatments"
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   What has bothered me the most today about the site is researching the "Doctor's". You can't find them on any other site or any other information about them or their research except on that site. If the article was in any scientific journal, I should be able to find it with no problem. Guess this is a hoax. I am really sad and disappointed now.


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132. "Yes, I'm afraid you are right.."
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The sad thing is that the people promoting this know that it doesn't work and rely on most people not doing their due diligence. You've been smart to do some research beyond their site. They promote their products through useless testimonials and faked "studies.

It's even more sad and cruel because it takes advantage of people who feel desperate for a non-existant "cure".

It's also sad that they are far from alone. There are lots of other scams out there that are similar, although their pseudoscience is different.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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137. "RE: no more treatments"
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   Hi Bjork,

I know it has been a long time since you had posted on this site, but I am very interested to know how you got on after all this time? I am thinking about getting one of these and would like to know if you have conclueded with any positive results?

Many Thanks


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138. "Please don't waste your money with this scam.."
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As mentioned earlier in this thread, take a look at http://lectroject.googlepages.com/ for an analysis of what you actually get.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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92. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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So I've been avoiding this thread... and I just finally read ALL of it.

What a bunch of hooey!!

Bjork, Donkey, et al. I don't know if I should give you guys props for guinea piggin' it, or be concerned about your sanity levels. With PHN I don't blame you guys for giving it a go... but it still sounds creepy.

Either way, it was an interesting read.

So you sent your machine to Raj, Bjork? Exciting stuff... can't wait to hear what the report is. Maybe he'll find a little "Made in Mexico" sticker somewhere on the damn thing. They do shoddy work.

~Della

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94. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   Guys, give it a rest. We wont know unless we try. I do believe there is not one person who wants this in their bodies and will do whatever it takes to try and get rid of it. I think its great people are trying different avenues.
Negativity never got anyone anywhere.


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95. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   Hi Sweetman,

We're not being negative about Lectroject because it is different or because we want people to suffer with herpes forever. We're negative because we've researched their 'scientific claims' and found them to be lacking. We also got hold of one of the machines and dissected it. Its a glorified battery. There is no way in hell that machine can treat or cure herpes. We don't want another person to waste their hard-earned money on something that doesn't work. Do you?

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96. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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"Sweet" man,

I don't enjoy having herpes any more than the next person. That being said, there is still no cure for herpes. There are only temporary remedies.

The fact that I am a REALIST does not mean I am negative. It just means I'm not going to waste my time, energy, or money on a contraption that claims something I KNOW for a fact to be false. If others wish to invest in said contraption though: more power. It is their time, energy, and money being wasted, so, even though I am concerned that they are severely being taken advantage of, I'll try my very hardest to sit back and just make funnies and be a goober, instead of screaming at them:

WTF ARE YOU WASTING YOUR MONEY ON THIS SH*T FOR!?!

So, like I said, I'm going to just be quiet. Starting now.

~Della


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97. "Don't know if you saw the link.."
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LAST EDITED ON Mar-23-06 AT 11:49 AM (CST)
 
to the page that has a picture of what's in it and the analysis of the device. http://lectroject.googlepages.com/ There's nothing in the device that provides any of the benefits that are claimed for it in any way.

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99. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   Hi everyone.

A completely agree with Windy and everyone about the bogus information….the people from this company clearly don’t have a clue what they are talking about.

I really don’t want to be negative about this but there are some things in thread that I feel are needed to be clarified….if for nothing else just to save peoples money in the future.

As Della says there is no cure Herpes or for ANY viral infections of this kind. The only way to get rid of a virus is for your bodies own immune system to remove it and that only works for certain types of viruses such as the Flu virus. Unfortunately it does not work for virus that places itself in your bodies own DNA….such as HIV and HSV. There is no drug that can be able to distinguish between your DNA and the virus DNA and therefore you cannot remove it from your cells. It will always be there but there is hope that there will be a treatment for these viruses that will suppress them from ‘waking up’ and become active again. If you could suppress the virus at 100% you could effectively have it in you body but not be able to infect anyone else…..unfortunately so far no suppressive drug have been that effective.

Another possibility would be to vaccinate the person you want to be with….so that even if they get infected their immune system can destroy the virus before it has a chance to incorporate itself into the DNA.

I hope I didn’t offend anyone….but it really makes me angry when companies like this one play on peoples hope.

Cheers
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100. "Famous last words..."
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   Hi, folks.

Just wanted to say a few things before I sign off...

Bjork and the gang -- thank you for contributing your experiences so that others won't have to wonder. Thank you to the powers that be for the link to what I will call the "official" debunking site of the Lectroject machine. I hope many people benefit from what they can learn there. From my personal experience, I can't say for certain that it did anything at all therapeutic or detrimental to my health; but I do have that personal experience.

There will always be those who will take advantage of hindsight to discredit "crazy" people who are willing to try new things; but without progressive thought and active investigation, there is no opportunity for hindsight.

Bye and good luck.


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101. "I hope this isn't a final farewell.."
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and that you'll be back from time to time to share some of your thoughts and humor with us again. Thanks for participating.

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109. "refund"
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   I got a refund on my lectrojet machine so I guess that makes them an honest company that really believes this machine does work for some people .
The refund was about $90 less than what I paid for it plus the $35 it cost to ship it back . But getting refund now made it well worth a try that it could have worked for me .


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110. "Glad you got a refund, Rodney.."
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-27-06 AT 02:57 PM (CST)
 
Good for you. Sorry it wasn't a full refund, though.

Folks considering this machine should take a look at http://lectroject.googlepages.com/ for an engineering analysis of what is really in one of those gadgets. It's not very impressive.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Mark Twain


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115. "RE: Glad you got a refund, Rodney.."
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   I must agree with most of the people here.
I'm writing just to let you know that one of my website visitors told me about lectrojet. So I wrote to them and they were very evasive. Here is our correspondence.
---------------------------my enquiry------------------------
I'm the writer of the website best-herpes-treatments. A person recently contacted me to inform me about your product and asking for my feedback. I've promised to reply to him after further research.
Could you provide all medical and research information on your machine as well as the FDA patent reference please? If I like your product I will place its information on my website.

Best regards,

Nathalie
--------------------------Their reply-----------------------
Dear Nathalie,

For some months we have been involved in discussions with Pharmaceutical companies who have expressed interest in aquiring the intellectual property.
We do not know what the target market will be nor their marketing strategy we have passed your enquiry on to them.

Regards

Dr Keith
----------------

I'm still waiting and I didn't ask about their marketing strategy but some scientific evidence. Can you imagine what I think? I think it is utter B... Stay away. I'll give you updates if I have any.

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119. "All things considered"
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   >I got a refund on my lectrojet machine so I guess that makes
>them an honest company that really believes this machine
>does work for some people .
> The refund was about $90 less than what I paid for it plus
>the $35 it cost to ship it back . But getting refund now
>made it well worth a try that it could have worked for me
>.

At least you got a refund. I agree that by the co. giving you one, means that they "in some way or fashion" stand behind there product. The fact of the matter is, the company never claimed that the machine would work for everyone. I beleive when I viewed the website it said something like an 85% sucess rate. So that is going to mean that some people's nervous system might not accept the medication as it should. I'm not being gullable in the slightest-because let me tell you- I have heard alot of BullS*** claims of topical creams and herbs that claim to kill the virus or whatever, but something just really tells me that this company has had a great amount of people who have been-in the sense- "cured" of Herpes. Now, depending on what your definition of "cure" is, will determine how accurate you beleive their research to be. Another thing, I can't say if the lectrojet machine is garbage or not. Know why? I haven't tried it yet, just as many of you haven't. So why are people who have not put the effort into giving the ol' pocket-sized shocker a whirl, having anything to say about it just yet. I dunno. I just wish there were more people who were currently engaged in the treatment so that others like myself could get a better idea of the phenominal progress or complete termination of H that this Company claims its machine is "capable" of.

-best of luck


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116. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   Hello Liten,

Unfortunately it does not work for virus that places
>itself in your bodies own DNA….such as HIV and HSV. There is
>no drug that can be able to distinguish between your DNA and
>the virus DNA and therefore you cannot remove it from your
>cells.

Well, that's true unless there is something we can take that will help our body differentiate herpes cells from our own healthy cells. I believe such a thing exists but I'm not saying I know what it is for sure.


It will always be there but there is hope that there
>will be a treatment for these viruses that will suppress
>them from ‘waking up’ and become active again. If you could
>suppress the virus at 100% you could effectively have it in
>you body but not be able to infect anyone
>else…..unfortunately so far no suppressive drug have been
>that effective.

There was something that worked close to 100% of times in mice. Unfortunately I haven't seen any research on it lately. So we are left with the question marks????????

There are also microbicidal gels that could be used to prevent transmission during sexual intercourse. As far as I know the FDA has forced the only company that was selling something that held such a potential to remove its product from the market but many are going for FDA approval now.

Cheers,

Nathalie

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122. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   Hi all -


Firstly I am not a doctor and am only a more recent sufferer of gential herpes and the below could be a total kookoo theory I have!

Throughout my life however I have had chicken pox, shingles, planter warts, warts (warts are another very similar virus to HSV, however unlike HSV do not attach themselves to your DNA) and constantly suffered with cold sores.... so in my case I've pretty much got/had every stran of HSV there is!!!!
Topical and oral Aciclovir has always been the most effective product in suppressing/minimising my outbreaks, although I have not taken any oral outbreaks for my more recent gential herpes bouts.

There is a more recent hair removal device which claims to stop hair growth by altering your DNA.
Here's the link:
http://www.complete-hair-removal-source.com/English/MicrolysisTutorial.htm

I'm yet to try this but I'm going to give it a go as the product is also used for removal of red veins, thread veins, skin tags and warts.
Since HSV outbreaks seem only to occur on the surface of the skin and it has been documented that with numerous medications the virus will very often not return to the same area that has once been treated, I am going to utilise this device to apply aciclvoir and potentially other medications to the areas that I have had or am having outbreaks to see if it increases my absorbtion of the medication and potentially eradicates the virus from being able to return to that area.
Can anyone much more knowledgable than I gve their thoughts on whether they think this is a plausible idea....

thanks


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139. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   i'm sure its a scam. i threw mine away.


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140. "Thanks for chiming in.."
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It helps confirm what we've said all along here.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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141. "RE: New Lectroject Thread"
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   LOL, here it is 2011 and the stupid lectroject 'machine' hasn't gone away. I almost bought one till I was giving all the information by Raj. I see how ridiculous the company's statements are now: alpha waves, magnetic fields on and on, oh brother. Every wire carrying current creates a magnetic field. LOLOL!
I think the best thing to do is to put 3 double AA batteries in series, then you have your own lectroject 'machine' for less than $5.00.
Order the electrodes from: http://www.buyemp.com/dept.asp?sku=230%2DPK&dept%5Fid=1031631
Go here for 'machine' instructions and the fact that it is a simple box that delivers about 5V DC.
http://sites.google.com/site/lectroject/

Total cost of your 'duplicate machine' would be less than $10.00
For the people who said they got a refund, but not a full refund, because they kept $90.00 - well they made $80.00 on you!
They still made out like bandits.

Cure


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144. "RE: New Lectroject Thread, #2"
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   LAST EDITED ON Jul-19-12 AT 03:40 AM (CDST)
 
Ok, I'm at #2 treatment.

A little bit about my affliction. I got caught with it over a year ago. Did a confidential blood test. They said I had HSV-1 but not 2. Of course, it was like the end of the world for me at the time. Then I pushed on ahead. Never went to the doctor. Stayed single all this time. Just self-gratification. I'm busy enough with other things. Increased my workouts at the gym. Doing weights hurts a lot more than OBs mostly under my tongue , sometimes on top. OBs has not appeared anywhere else. But I can feel more fatigue and back pain. Skin occasionally has rashes, but I've always had hives since a teenager.

I suffered through many outbreaks , sometimes an OB every two weeks and sores lasting a few days. Tried garlic powder, lemon juice, alcohol swabs. Lysine and Vitamin C pills helped decrease the duration and frequency of the OBs. I did not tell the doctor. The sores or their residue are hardly visible. Nor did I ever try valtrex or acyclovir. So first time using acyclovir in the small sample I got with the lectroject.

So 2nd day using the lectroject. Fine, it's a current applied from a small power convertor. I knew that before I even ordered it and before seeing the google analysis page. I'm a believer in electric or magnetic fields affecting the body and blood flow in some manner. It was found there was high voltage in individual cells and they can be polarized. Even though I've taken pre-engineering classes in my computer degree I'm not handy with electronics nor did I want to take the time to learn to build my own. So I didn't mind paying extra for having someone else build it i.e. the lectroject people.

Had an on going OB in the last few days. Started a day before I did the first treatment. In general my OBs don't last as long now although they had been re-occurring close to every 6 weeks or so. So the sore has dried up now and I felt the dried scar area although it doesn't hurt anymore when I pressure it. (under my tongue , far back in the mouth this time).

I'll continue to update up to 15 treatment sessions than maybe occasionally for 20 or more treatments beyond.


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145. "RE: New Lectroject Thread, #3"
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   At #3 had a small OB under my tongue in a place which I had many OB's before. So there is some scarring. It went away less than a day later. Admittedly, it could be from the affects of the acyclovir which I had never taken before until now. I skipped a day Saturday. I don't know if this makes a difference. Will take #4 treatment soon.

Article on voltage inducement on internal membranes and organelles of a cell. So there has been serious scientific ongoing studies of nanotechnology on cells in the past decade.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1367054/


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146. "RE: New Lectroject Thread, #3"
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   Have done #4 and #5 since. The last OB dried up. Now have a tingling on the right side of the tongue. Not as severe as before. Will do #6 soon.


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147. "RE: New Lectroject Thread, #6"
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   After having done #6. Two more OB's on the tongue. One near the back and on the tongue, the other nearer the tip and under. So no real change in frequency so far. In fact, it seemed to be more physically pronounced. Some have said it's because the virus is retreating from the decimation of infected cells from the inner nerve cells out by the effective treatment, but that could be just wishful and advertised thinking. Disheartening so far to say the least.


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