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"A possible true cure?"
 
   MIT Lab found cure for almost all virus. Even in early stages, It seems revolutionary. First link has more details than MIT News.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/Draco-s-magic-spells-death-for-viruses/Article1-733053.aspx

This is from MIT News

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/antiviral-0810.html


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  RE: A possible true cure? muffinadmin Aug-14-11 1
  F**** MIT, the cure is easy. amanda3001 Jan-21-12 2
     A negative PCR test means nothing... Rajahadmin Jan-22-12 3
         RE: A negative PCR test means nothing... amanda3001 Jan-28-12 4
             RE: A negative PCR test means nothing... amanda3001 Jan-28-12 5
                 RE: A negative PCR test means nothing... amanda3001 Jan-28-12 6
             RE: A negative PCR test means nothing... amanda3001 Jan-28-12 7
             No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... Rajahadmin Jan-28-12 8
                 RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 9
                     RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 10
                         RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 11
                             RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 12
                                 RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 13
                                     Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones... Rajahadmin Jan-29-12 18
                                         RE: Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 21
                                             Yes, you will.. Rajahadmin Jan-29-12 22
                                         RE: Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones... amanda3001 Jan-30-12 25
                     RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... muffinadmin Jan-29-12 14
                         RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 15
                         RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 16
                             RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 17
                                 Yes, I know about doing PCR on blood... Rajahadmin Jan-29-12 19
                                     RE: Yes, I know about doing PCR on blood... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 20
                                         I asked Terri Warren of the Westover Heights clinic about ... Rajahadmin Jan-29-12 23
                                             RE: I asked Terri Warren of the Westover Heights clinic about ... amanda3001 Jan-29-12 24
                                             Westover Heights Clinic is owned by Terri Warren.. Rajahadmin Jan-30-12 26
                                             RE: Westover Heights Clinic is owned by Terri Warren.. SingleTingle Feb-08-12 27
                                             The virus is not in your blood... Rajahadmin Feb-08-12 28
                         RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... potty100 Jun-08-12 30
                             RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests... potty100 Jun-08-12 31
                                 Some recent research suggests that the virus never... Rajahadmin Jun-11-12 32

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muffinadmin
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1. "RE: A possible true cure?"
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Definitely a wait and see but something to keep an eye on. Looks like it's still in animal testing phase.

One thing I noticed is one of the articles mentioned that it works on new infections. They didn't mention herpes cases specifically so not sure if those of us who have had it for years would benefit even if it is effective.

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2. "F**** MIT, the cure is easy."
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   LAST EDITED ON Jan-21-12 AT 11:59 PM (CDST) by Rajah (admin)
 
I just cured my self with a test result to prove it.



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3. "A negative PCR test means nothing..."
In response to message #2
 
and herpes is a virus, not a "parasite" in the usual sense.

DMSO is an industrial solvent and is potentially dangerous. It's not approved for human use.

The herpes virus is not "killed" by elevated oxygen levels, well, not unless the oxygen level is so high that it kills the infected cell.

PCR only detects the virus when it's active.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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amanda3001
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4. "RE: A negative PCR test means nothing..."
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   you're talking about the standard antibody test. pcr tests detect the virus even if it is in it's latent stage. I don't think that herpes is a parasite either, I don't agree with them on that. All I know is that I had it, and now my test is negative. why don't you look into this? do you have it? maybe you're just tired of scammers and false hope, so am I but I no longer have outbreaks at least. this site has info about dmso, but now you're knocking it Rajah. maybe it is dangerouse, but it works.


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amanda3001
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5. "RE: A negative PCR test means nothing..."
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   I checked with doctos, I didn't tell them what I did, they told me the pcr is good. the only other thing i can think of is maybe my first test was a false positive and I never had it to begin with. I had nast outbreaks though.


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6. "RE: A negative PCR test means nothing..."
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   also, oxygen therapy is not the only way. there's a multitude of things, but changing a person's diet is a big factor.


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7. "RE: A negative PCR test means nothing..."
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   a pcr test is not the standard antibody test.


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8. "No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-28-12 AT 10:43 PM (CDST)
 
I've had herpes for 17 years now and have been around the forums since 1998. I had daily PCR testing as part of a study a while back. Herpes DNA was not detected on most days that I tested. It's only detected when the virus is active, but the virus is still there.

The thing about herpes that fools a lot of folks into thinking there is a cure is that, in many/most cases, our body's immune system springs into action and eventually suppresses the virus so that at some point there aren't any more noticeable symptoms.

When someone newly infected has symptoms, tries some treatment and the symptoms lessen or disappear entirely, they think the treatment is what "cured" their case of herpes while the truth is that they still have herpes, but their body has gotten it under control. Does that make sense, Amanda? I am sure the snake oil salesmen are well aware of this and make very effective use of it.

Herpes just isn't enough of a big deal that I'd use something dangerous to attempt to "cure" it. Since I got herpes, I've divorced, dated, and remarried to a woman who has neither type of herpes as confirmed by antibody testing. We've been together since 1999 and she's still negative. Having herpes has not kept me from having a happy fulfilling life, while, in fact, it has actually has had some very positive aspects as I've met a huge number of great and diverse people that I treasure as good friends today.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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9. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   can you explain this to me some more? so my pcr is negative because I wasn't showing symptoms, but my outbreaks stopped. so all this did was get my body to put it in some kind of permanent supression? why did the people at requestatest not ask me if I was showing any symptoms? why would they even do pcr testing then? I thought that I had really cured it, but I felt somehow that it may still be there. Other people who did the protocol all tested negatve and even had there sores swabbed when they had supposed "clearing symptoms" at least that's what I was told. oh no, the guy who gave me the protocol also used to have herpes and was cured of it by the same people. he really believes he was cured and is doing a good thing. is there any more invasive testing that can be done? is there another test that can detect it even if there are no sores? am I still contagious? this my last hope since my boyfriend committed suicide, I won't find anyone else.


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10. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   labcorp was where i got the test done and ordered it through requestatest, MY KEYBOARD isn't working, sorry, can't type periods now, they did not ask me if i was showing symptoms in which i was, and did not tell me that it is usually negetive, i had a sore at the time and a swollen lymph gland but i did the test anyway, it was still negative, the oxygen people told me that reacurring symptoms are clearing symptoms, did labcorp just take my money too?


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11. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   i'm not sure if the sore i had during the time of the testing was really a herpes sore though, it seemed more like an absess which i get too, but usually in other places. those are usually bacterial. i'm mad now that labcorp didn't tell me that these tests can be negative and i'm mad at the oxygen therapy people too. is there more of an invasive test? sorry i post so much, but i was wondering why the government hadn't attacked these people yet if the cure is supressed and why they charge so much.


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12. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   and I apologize for getting angry with you in earlier comments.


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13. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   also, these people just apparantly cured an HIV case, how can HIV suddenly be negative? doesn't HIV always test positive because it's always active?


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18. "Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones..."
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Let me start with the one about why the government isn't cracking down if this is a scam... There are several reasons, not the least of which is that there are so many scams going on with new ones popping up all the time. We got the FTC so shut one of them down a while back, but he's back in business under a different name with slightly differently worded claims. It's a "Whack-A-Mole" game. In most cases, it's just a "Cease and Desist" order without criminal charges. Some of the scams are outside the USA so the FDA doesn't have jurisdiction. Another reason is that they need complaints to be filed so as to initiate action.

I'm trying to understand all that's gone on in your situation. I don't think Labcorp is to blame, but the "Oxygen Guy" is.

It sounds like your sores are not herpes. If they were, then the PCR testing on them would definitely have shown herpes DNA present. There's no such thing as "Clearing Symptoms", just more BS to try to explain away failure on their part.

You asked about more invasive testing... No. You might consider a Western Blot from the University of Washington. It's an antibody test that looks for more and different antibodies than the usual IgG tests.

I would really like you to get over this notion that you can't find someone to have a relationship with. Our Success Stories section is full of, well, success stories. There are lots of us here who are in very satisfying relationships with people who do and who don't have herpes.

No need to apologize. I understand your anger, I really do. Now it's time to get past that and get on with a satisfying life.

Let us know how we can help further.


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21. "RE: Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones..."
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   well, if it turns out that I still have it, I guess it's not so bad. You're right, I'll find someone again.


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22. "Yes, you will.."
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and please don't limit your prospects to just other people with herpes. If a potential partner is interested in you as a person, rather than just a "booty call", herpes won't be a deal breaker. Having herpes doesn't change the wonderful person you already are. It's just an infrequent, minor, skin irritation.

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25. "RE: Whew! Lots of questions, Amanda, but good ones..."
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   if herpes has been dormant for some time with no shedding, will I always have antibodies? is it possible to not have antibodies and still carry the virus? I was just wondering because I thought that antibodies go away if your herpes has been dormant for some time. i did not take an antibody test,I was just wondering. and yes, lots of questions lol.


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14. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-29-12 AT 07:03 AM (CDST)
 
amanda, I'm sorry to hear of your boyfriend.

I think of herpes as being in one of 3 stages...active outbreak (physical symptoms are felt); asymptomatic shedding (no physical symptoms but you are still shedding virus and are contagious; latency (no shedding but rather the virus is dormant at the root of the nerve.

pcr is designed to detect the virus during an active ob or shedding. It will not detect virus in the dormancy stage because at that point the virus is not close to the skin.

Blood tests are the best mechanism we have to detect the virus when it is dormant.

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15. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   it was a blood test, and i've had this for twelve years, i know about herpes. lately, i've been smoking eating chocolate and no more outbreaks. so even if they didn't cure it, they stopped my outbreaks. a pcr dna test is done on the blood and spinal fluid, not swabs. is that's what you were referring too?, swab tests? Rajah, you knew what a pcr is, right? you weren't thinking it's a swab did you?


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16. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   and thank you muffin, about my boyfriend. he knew i had it, but he didn't care. his problem was losing his job in the recession and not getting hired again. he also found out he was diabetic. i miss him very much and would rather have herpes and have him back than to not have herpes and not have him. i figured that i needed to get rid of this to find someone again because now it's like no one will accept it, but before i met him, i could tell people. i think that i keep putting time frames on finding someone else because i don't want to find someone else. it's like, "i have to cure this first". i'm just scared to someone new


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17. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   i just did a little research, i see that swab testing is also called pcr. that's not what i took, i took the blood test. Rajah, when you had daily pcr testing, was it swabbed, or did they take your blood?


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19. "Yes, I know about doing PCR on blood..."
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My testing was a swab, but keep in mind that, except in special cases, herpes is not a blood borne infection. It's mainly confined to the nerve cells so testing the blood is not a good test.

PCR stands for Polymerase Chain Reaction which is a method to "amplify" very small DNA samples, for example on the blood samples in the OJ murder case.

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20. "RE: Yes, I know about doing PCR on blood..."
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   I know that it's in the skin Rajah. It's dormant in the nerves, but virus particles get into the blood. I know what pcr stands for, and it picks up DNA. The doctors told me that this is a very effective test and it is the only way to detect the virus if it is dormant. Rajah, it's negative now. I did something, it's real.


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23. "I asked Terri Warren of the Westover Heights clinic about ..."
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PCR testing of blood for herpes.

She said, "PCR is not useful on blood because herpes isn't in blood."

She's one of the world class experts on the herpes virus so I'm inclined to believe her.

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24. "RE: I asked Terri Warren of the Westover Heights clinic about ..."
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   why do they do the test then? why is it even used? that makes no sense. is Terri a doctor or a scientist?


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26. "Westover Heights Clinic is owned by Terri Warren.."
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LAST EDITED ON Jan-30-12 AT 09:04 AM (CDST)
 
http://westoverheights.com

She is one of the well known and respected published researchers in the field of herpes diagnosis and treatment.

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27. "RE: Westover Heights Clinic is owned by Terri Warren.."
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   When you are on anti-virals the amount of virus in your blood reduces to undetectable levels, when doing a blood test for herpes while your on medication you will get a negative result


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28. "The virus is not in your blood..."
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What the blood tests detect are the antibodies produced by your immune system. These antibodies are detectable even when you are taking antivirals.

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30. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   Hi. New to the site and got very interested in this discussion. Sorry to "butt in". I have had an antibodies test because my current partner told me he was diagnosed with herpes (but does not know what type) 17 years ago. I resulted positive, but it was a general antibodies test, not type specific, and no igg details either. To have more info I have to go private and pay 260. He has not had an outburst all the time we have been together, but before this I was in a relationship (with what then became my husband) for 18 years, so it's unlikely I picked it up somewhere else. I have never had symptoms and I don't have any now. Are you telling me that should I take an antibodies test again I may result negative? And that if it does it shows I am not shedding anymore?


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31. "RE: No, I'm not talking about the antibody tests..."
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   sorry, I don't think I was clear. I know that antibodies in the blood mean I have herpes and are just as likely to shed. So I am contagious. Some statements seem to suggest that after a long amount of time without outbreaks (and I have never had any), or maybe, in my case, after a long time from contagion and without outbreaks, the virus will be so contained by the antibodies that I could stop shedding? And so essentially become "cured"? Unless some other factors intervene to cause a resurfacing?


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32. "Some recent research suggests that the virus never..."
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really goes entirely dormant, but is there with some level of activity depending on the strength of your immune system. It's cousin, herpes zoster, or chickenpox usually acquired in childhood, often resurfaces late in life as shingles. There is no "cure" within the foreseeable future.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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