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jamesblack
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"My Doctor Says You Can Never Test For An HSV Cure"
 
   I guess I am writing this because before you find a cure for HSV you have to have some kind of TEST which proves that you have found a cure. As far as I am aware NO blood test is available that can prove anything at all except that you are infected. A brief discussion of the reasons for this follows below.

My doctor said it is not possible because even if your test results came back negative the virus might be in latency. He said it is impossible to prove that the virus is not in latency so therefore all blood tests are pointless. He said what is more important to be symptom free. Oh God I would love it if I never have any OB anymore.

On the Letroject site they claim that there disputed device works because they did a PCR test of the spinal fluid for there studies. A PCR test tests for viral DNA. But this sounds like bullshit, so what if I don't have viral DNA in my spinal fluid, the virus might be hiding out in 200 other locations in my body. This test does not definitively prove that you are cured.

I have heard of people with changing IGG test results. My doctor told me that once you have antibodies you have them for life, that is why you get vaccinations as a child. He said this means that your IGG will always be positive? in other words you will always have antibodies EVEN if you cure yourself of HSV. This means that an IGG test is totally useless for testing any potential cures to HSV.

Basically to summarize I am saying

1) there are no tests available to tell us if we have found a cure or not.
2) there is no point testing further than confirming your diagnosis.


Love to hear from you


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.. Rajahadmin Dec-06-11 1
     RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.. jamesblack Dec-07-11 2
     RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.. jamesblack Dec-07-11 3
         RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.. windyadmin Dec-07-11 4
         It's specifically the Lectroject device.. Rajahadmin Dec-11-11 5
  RE: You Can Test For An HSV Cure jamesblack Dec-30-11 6
     Hepatitis isn't herpes... Rajahadmin Jan-08-12 7

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Rajahadmin
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1. "First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.."
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It's a complete scam as has been discussed here ad nauseum years ago. If they were in the US, the FDA and FTC would have shut them down long ago like they did Imulux and others.

You're correct in your summary. There's no test that can verify a "cure". Once you've got a clear positive, don't waste money on further diagnostic testing.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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jamesblack
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2. "RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.."
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   I reported Letroject to the South African Fraud Agency. If they have done nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about. On there web site they claim to have done many studies so it should be easy for them to prove to the government that they are legitimate or not! It is between them and the fraud agency now... we must wait and see.

I always thought letroject was suspicious after seeing the insides of the lectroject device... basically this device is an AC/DC transformer connected to some pads with a price tag of $300 for something that costs a few dollars to make.

However Iontophoresis devices are real and do exist for delivering medicine through the skin using a small electric charge. Whether this can be used for HSV medication, I do not know. Are you sure that Iontophoresis devices do not help with HSV treatment? Have other devices been tested?

Thanks


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jamesblack
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Dec-07-11, 09:25 AM (CST)
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3. "RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.."
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   Are you aware that a A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled, Clinic-Initiated Trial was done using an Iontophoretic device and Acyclovir?

Conclusions. Single-dose topical iontophoresis of acyclovir appears to be a convenient and effective treatment for cold sores and merits further clinical investigation.

Clin Infect Dis. (2006) 43 (4): 460-467. doi: 10.1086/505872

http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/43/4/460.full

Are you aware of this research? You can't deny peer reviewed research published in a medical journal, can you? You said that Lectroject is a complete scam, do you mean Iontophoretic devices are a scam or do you mean the Lectroject Iontophoretic device is a scam a fake device?


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4. "RE: First, you cannot trust anything on the Lectroject site.."
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If you search this forum for lectroject, you'll find some of my posts on the subject. I am aware that studies have been done on iontophoresis for delivery of acyclovir, and I'm pretty sure I made some comments about the lectroject device in relation to that. Thanks for reporting them. If I had an ICBM and their address...

BTW, I recall that there is a legitimate device with a similar name. Can't remember if it's for iontophoresis or for needle-less injection of drugs through the skin. (Maybe -jet instead of -ject, but it's been a few years, so I'm not sure.)

One other thing you might be interested to know. It's been documented that antibody tests will sometimes come up negative after being positive. You can search for "seroreversion" to find the information. When the apparently negative sample is tested with multiple methodologies (e.g. HerpeSelect and Western Blot) it only tests negative with one of the methods. It's a problem with the tests and not a true change in the antibodies.


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5. "It's specifically the Lectroject device.."
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which is referred to as a scam, not iontophoresis devices in general.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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6. "RE: You Can Test For An HSV Cure"
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   LAST EDITED ON Dec-30-11 AT 09:30 AM (CDST)
 
Very exciting information that I came across in wiki about hepatitis B vaccination. To me this proves that you can actually test for a HSV cure but that it takes 5 years. What I mean is that if you are cured you will have no symptoms but your blood will test positive for antibodies but after 5 years those antibodies will die off and not be replaced because they are no longer needed. So a test after 5 years will show a negative antibody test. This is fantastic news because it means we can finally test if a cure really works or not. Here below is the evidence I base what I am saying on. If there are any doctors out there I would love them to confirm or deny my statements.

Evidence...

It is now believed that the hepatitis B vaccine provides indefinite protection. However, it was previously believed and suggested that the vaccination would only provide effective cover of between five and seven years,<15><16> but subsequently it has been appreciated that long-term immunity derives from immunological memory which outlasts the loss of antibody levels and hence subsequent testing and administration of booster doses is not required in successfully vaccinated immunocompetent individuals.<17><18>

<17>^ Gabbuti, A.; Romaṇ, L.; Blanc, P.; Meacci, F.; Amendola, A.; Mele, A.; Mazzotta, F.; Zanetti, A. R. (2007). "Long-term immunogenicity of hepatitis B vaccination in a cohort of Italian healthy adolescents". Vaccine 25 (16): 3129–3132. doi:10.1016/j.vaccine.2007.01.045. PMID 17291637. edit

<18>^ "Are booster immunisations needed for lifelong hepatitis B immunity?". The Lancet 355 (9203): 561–565. 2000. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(99)07239-6. PMID 10683019. edit


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Rajahadmin
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7. "Hepatitis isn't herpes..."
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but it's academic anyway since there isn't a cure for herpes, especially not Lectroject.

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." - Paraphrased from Mark Twain


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