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SummerFern
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"thick skin/thin skin"
 
   hello, I'm just trying to learn more about this virus.
would the skin on buttock cheeks- like at the top near the crack rather then near the anus be considered thin skin/mucuous membranes?
would it be easy for the virus to go through the skin of this area.
would a kiss on the buttock cheek from someone with oral herpes be able to transmit the virus?
thank you


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Mar-03-12 1
     RE: thick skin/thin skin muffinadmin Mar-03-12 2
         RE: thick skin/thin skin SummerFern Mar-03-12 3
     RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-04-12 5
     RE: thick skin/thin skin lizzame Sep-10-12 16
         RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Sep-10-12 17
  RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-04-12 4
     RE: thick skin/thin skin SummerFern Mar-04-12 6
         RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-04-12 7
             RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Mar-05-12 8
                 RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-05-12 9
                     RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Mar-05-12 10
                         RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-05-12 11
                             RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Mar-06-12 12
                                 RE: thick skin/thin skin mbison Mar-06-12 13
                                     RE: thick skin/thin skin SummerFern Mar-16-12 14
                                         RE: thick skin/thin skin Lenoreadmin Mar-17-12 15

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Lenoreadmin
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1. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   Mucous membranes are your oral mucosa.....lips and inside your mouth.......and the entire anal/genital area. Regular skin like on your buttocks is a barrier to the virus.....so someone with the virus orally who kisses your butt isn't going to give you the virus.


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2. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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I think of the pinker/darker skin as mucous/thin skin.

muffin ~ GHSV1 since 1986

Anyone who has sex is at
risk for herpes.

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SummerFern
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3. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   thanks girls.
i love that i have found this place and can get my questions answered
so much easier to get my head around hsv


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mbison
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5. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   >Mucous membranes are your oral mucosa.....lips and inside
>your mouth.......and the entire anal/genital area. Regular
>skin like on your buttocks is a barrier to the virus.....so
>someone with the virus orally who kisses your butt isn't
>going to give you the virus.

I don't think it's right to say mucous membranes are the entire anal/genital area. For instance, I think the only mucous membranes in men are inside the urethra and the inner rectum.


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16. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   No No No! Itīs possible to have herpes on the skin. I have herpes on my back! Yes, one spot on my upper back, and one spot on my lower back. Iīve had this outbreaks once a year for the past 3 years, sores at the same spot. But itīs getting worse. This year I had it already 3 times! Went to the doctor and got tested and I tested positive for herpes! My gyn checked my genitals for sores and found nothing. I donīt know how i got herpes over there. Very weird, but possible.


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Lenoreadmin
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17. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   You get the virus genitally, but can get outbreaks anyplace that those affected nerves travel to. It's actually pretty common to get herpes outbreaks on your lower back or buttocks. It's less common to get outbreaks outside of the "boxer short" area.

Even though your outbreaks aren't on your genital area, you can still shed the virus genitally and pass it on to a partner so the same sort of precautions apply.

I was confused too initially since my outbreaks are only on my lower
back and I couldn't figure it out, but for over 30 years that is where my outbreaks occur with maybe some random genital irritation.


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mbison
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4. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   You wouldn't be likely to transmit to the buttocks although it's not impossible.

I think there are really 3 types of skin at issue here -- mucous membranes, genital skin, and non-genital (thick) skin. I think the greatest risk would be to mucous membranes, then to genital skin that is not a mucous membrane (like the shaft of the penis), and the lowest risk would be to non-genital skin.


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6. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   so....you're saying they could get it through a kiss on the buttock cheek?


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mbison
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7. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-04-12 AT 09:11 PM (CDST)
 
If you had a cold sore present and vigorously kissed somebody's buttocks and s/he happened to have some kind of abrasion present on his or her buttocks where you were kissing, it's conceivable you could transmit the virus that way.

It's exceedingly unlikely though and not really something to worry about except that I would advise somebody with a cold sore present to avoid making direct contact with their mouth to any part of somebody else's body.


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Lenoreadmin
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8. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   Intact skin is a barrier to the virus which is why herpes spreads from mucous membrane to mucous membrane oral or genital. It's pretty common for people with genital herpes to get outbreaks on their buttocks, but that is caused by the virus taking a different nerve pathway to the surface of the skin, not because that is the place where they originally were infected. A person who gets outbreaks on their butt is also going to be shedding the virus genitally at that time.

I can't see tempting fate by kissing anyone anywhere if you have an active cold sore, but it's not a likely way to transmit herpes.


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mbison
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9. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   LAST EDITED ON Mar-05-12 AT 03:32 PM (CDST)
 
I agree that kissing somebody on the butt is not a likely way to transmit the virus. But I still don't think it is accurate to say that herpes is only spread from mucous membrane to mucous membrane. Herpes is spread from skin to skin contact. As I mentioned above, the outside of penis is not a mucous membrane but it is a common place for people to get infected.


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10. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   The head of your penis is actually a mucous membrane. along with the underneath of the foreskin (if you haven't been circumcised) and your urethra. The skin on your penis is a lot more delicate than the skin on your butt and probably is going to get a little more friction and exposure.

I don't really feel like arguing with you, but it doesn't serve any purpose in my mind to make people more fearful of having this virus than necessary.


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mbison
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11. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   The head of the penis is not a mucous membrane. See http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/Can-HIV-be-contracted-this-way/show/512667 ("The penis head is not a mucous membrane." - Dr. HHH)

The underside of the foreskin is also not a mucous membrane. See http://www.medhelp.org/posts/HIV-Prevention/Rubbing-of-penis-on-vagina-with-MENSES/show/1326320 ("The inner surface of your foreskin is NOT a mucous membrane." - Dr. Hook).

The urethra is a mucous membrane, but not where most hsv infections occur in men. So most infections occur on non-mucosal skin. I do agree that the skin of the penis is more delicate and subject to more friction.


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Lenoreadmin
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12. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   He's talking about HIV transmission and I'm sure he is correct about the definition of a mucous membrane, but that doesn't change the fact that herpes is transmitted orally and genitally and not through normal skin contact.

If herpes was easy to get on normal intact skin there would be higher rates of herpetic whitlow since finger to genital contact is a pretty common part of sexual activity.


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mbison
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13. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   My understanding is that hiv transmission requires the virus to pass through a mucous membrane, which is why condoms are basically 100% effective for hiv.

On the other hand, herpes only requires skin to skin contact, which is why condoms are only partially effective. I agree with you that a large majority (but not all) initial infections occur on the genitals or mouth, both because of the type of skin and the amount of friction. But I think an initial infection can occur pretty much anywhere, including the buttocks, even if it is rare.


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SummerFern
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14. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   so can someone can an initial outbreak on their buttock cheek? from someone kissing their buttock cheek?


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Lenoreadmin
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15. "RE: thick skin/thin skin"
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   When someone gets an outbreak on their buttocks (which is very very common), it is because they got the virus genitally and it traveled up their nerves to the base of their spine where it kind of goes to sleep for awhile and wakes up and travels down the nerves to cause the outbreak. Sometimes those nerves go to the buttocks and sometimes the genitals.

Getting an outbreak on your buttocks from a kiss on your buttocks is unlikely and I've never heard of it happening or seen any documentation that genital herpes is spread this way. If anyone has documentation that it is spread this way I would be interested to see it.

Wrestlers can get herpes on their torso from contact with oral secretions with someone who has HSV1, but there is a lot of heat, friction,sweating and prolonged contact involved.

Did you have a personal situation where the only sexual contact you had was a kiss on your buttock? It might help if I knew what you were concerned about. If you're trying to figure out where you got the virus from, sometimes it's not possible.


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